Communism failed because...

...it was never properly implemented.
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...it's a totally flawed system.
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Postby E Dogg Capizzle on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:29pm

MikeD wrote: Any sort of philosophy/model of history which posits some sort of steady-state 'end' to history, government, economics, and human development is pure folly, period.

MD


Exactly, communism failed because it was based on a theory of human nature/history that was not only wrong, but pseudoscientific for the historicist reasons that MikeD suggests. As it happens the consciousness of the people does not change once you alter their material situation, so to have communism work you must inevitably step in with a not so hidden hand, and the hand is usually weilding a sword. :)
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Postby JK2 on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:30pm

E Dogg Capizzle wrote:
MikeD wrote: Any sort of philosophy/model of history which posits some sort of steady-state 'end' to history, government, economics, and human development is pure folly, period.

MD


Exactly, communism failed because it was based on a theory of human nature/history that was not only wrong, but pseudoscientific for the historicist reasons that MikeD suggests. As it happens the consciousness of the people does not change once you alter their material situation, so to have communism work you must inevitably step in with a not so hidden hand, and the hand is usually weilding a sword. :)
that is what i said. not enough killing.
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Postby E Dogg Capizzle on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:33pm

JK2 wrote:
that is what i said. not enough killing.


Yes. There never is enough killing.
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Postby MikeD on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:33pm

E Dogg Capizzle wrote:
MikeD wrote: Any sort of philosophy/model of history which posits some sort of steady-state 'end' to history, government, economics, and human development is pure folly, period.

MD


Exactly, communism failed because it was based on a theory of human nature/history that was not only wrong, but pseudoscientific for the historicist reasons that MikeD suggests. As it happens the consciousness of the people does not change once you alter their material situation, so to have communism work you must inevitably step in with a not so hidden hand, and the hand is usually weilding a sword. :)



Ha! I knew I was smart. Mom told me so. Unlike all those mean people in the white coats.

Now I can bask in the warm glow of E Dogg.

Anyone else think that Marx wasn't just pseudoscientific, but basically aesthetic at heart? He just made up a great story that he really, really wanted to believe and tried to make it reality...
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Postby JK2 on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:42pm

MikeD wrote:
E Dogg Capizzle wrote:
MikeD wrote: Any sort of philosophy/model of history which posits some sort of steady-state 'end' to history, government, economics, and human development is pure folly, period.

MD


Exactly, communism failed because it was based on a theory of human nature/history that was not only wrong, but pseudoscientific for the historicist reasons that MikeD suggests. As it happens the consciousness of the people does not change once you alter their material situation, so to have communism work you must inevitably step in with a not so hidden hand, and the hand is usually weilding a sword. :)



Ha! I knew I was smart. Mom told me so. Unlike all those mean people in the white coats.

Now I can bask in the warm glow of E Dogg.

Anyone else think that Marx wasn't just pseudoscientific, but basically aesthetic at heart? He just made up a great story that he really, really wanted to believe and tried to make it reality...
aesthetic or atheistic?
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Postby MikeD on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:43pm

Well, both, but I was referring to aesthetics...
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Postby JK2 on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:48pm

i think the main reason he came up with communism is cos he was sht with his money. he spent most of his life bludging off mates, especially Engels. He basically just wanted someone to take that responsibility away from him and concocted an elaborate rationale for it.
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Postby MikeD on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:57pm

JK2 wrote: i think the main reason he came up with communism is cos he was sht with his money. he spent most of his life bludging off mates, especially Engels. He basically just wanted someone to take that responsibility away from him and concocted an elaborate rationale for it.


Well, there was that...and the chicks. That's why I'd have done it.
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Postby CaptainCaveman on Fri 2/Jun/06 2:59pm

MikeD wrote:
E Dogg Capizzle wrote:
MikeD wrote: Any sort of philosophy/model of history which posits some sort of steady-state 'end' to history, government, economics, and human development is pure folly, period.

MD


Exactly, communism failed because it was based on a theory of human nature/history that was not only wrong, but pseudoscientific for the historicist reasons that MikeD suggests. As it happens the consciousness of the people does not change once you alter their material situation, so to have communism work you must inevitably step in with a not so hidden hand, and the hand is usually weilding a sword. :)



Ha! I knew I was smart. Mom told me so. Unlike all those mean people in the white coats.

Now I can bask in the warm glow of E Dogg.

Anyone else think that Marx wasn't just pseudoscientific, but basically aesthetic at heart? He just made up a great story that he really, really wanted to believe and tried to make it reality...


He should have called his theory 'Catholocism'. Same basic fairy tale 'n all :thumbsup:
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Postby Slim on Fri 2/Jun/06 3:00pm

MikeD wrote:
Slim wrote: It was the internet :)


Are you saying the Internet Killed the Marxism Star?


no I am saying the internet is why communism failed :thumbsup:
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Postby MikeD on Fri 2/Jun/06 3:02pm

Slim wrote:
MikeD wrote:
Slim wrote: It was the internet :)


Are you saying the Internet Killed the Marxism Star?


no I am saying the internet is why communism failed :thumbsup:


Exactly.

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Postby Panserborne on Fri 2/Jun/06 9:37pm

Read something, somewhere about having a Universal Basic Income, basically eliminating poverty. The income would be not quite enough to live on, so people would have to still work, and the better the job, the better the pay, so people have motivation to strive and aim for better work (one of the problems with communism). Of course now people will strike me down because it's "their money and they earned it, it's poor people's fault they're poor, stupid poor people..." Fuck I hate Capitalists.
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Postby Oli on Fri 2/Jun/06 9:47pm

Good on you, Panserborne! It's good to be an idealist, and there's nowt wrong with caring about the people less fortunate than yourself.:thumbsup:

Although a modicum of capitalism might still be required to fund the UBI... ;)
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Postby Panserborne on Fri 2/Jun/06 10:01pm

Thankyou. Well, I'd say anything ( well not ANYTHING) would be better than our present situation.
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Postby porschenut on Fri 2/Jun/06 10:04pm

democracy sux. In fact, we don't even have a "real" democracy. In a "real" democracy, choosing beaurocrats and magistrates must be done by lot.... :crazy:
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