Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby AgrAde on Tue 26/Jan/16 6:58pm

Just feed the cable back up through the top of the flush box as you push the plate towards the wall. If the cable sticks straight out the back of the jack then break the back of the flush box off to avoid minimum bend radius/pulling wires out. Cutting off the divider isn't that bad and doing the actual cable runs is way easier with 6.
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby philstar on Tue 26/Jan/16 10:02pm

danose wrote:
philstar wrote:have you tried using multiple external aerials of a single access point?


Worked well on 2.4g in the G era, but not worth it now I reckon, 5ghz just doesn't like walls that much, multiple APs is a much better solution


unless you are running power over Ethernet (POE) for your APs this seams expensive?

I was thinking something like this Image
with 4 of these (except dual band, or are they not available) )spaced round the ceiling space on long cables Image

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philstar wrote:do TVs come without WiFi? frineds have an older TV with wired network buy wireless is an (expensive) optional extra
some other AV equipment (like receivers) comes without WiFi.


No need to buy expensive 'genuine' wifi adaptors, a suitable AP/router with 'wireless client bridge' mode is easier and handles multiple boxes. Linksys still do a dedicated one (the wumc710) but I don't recommend it (got one in a box, firmware is bugtastic and despite still being sold Linksys aren't keen to fix/update the fw) - plenty of current AC routers/aps have it as an option, and including a lot of the really cheap tplinks (if you flash them with tomato or openwrt)


could you use a range extender for this or do you need a access point?
but if i was going to re-wire my house i would re-wire it so that someone who does not now how to flash the firmware on an AP can use the house if they buy it from you later, mid you in 5 years time all "smart" AV gear will have wireless (unless something really weird happens)
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby Scotty on Wed 27/Jan/16 7:42am

danose wrote:other thing is to ask yourself 'do I really need wired GBe' - in reality modern wifi (as in ac2400+) is pretty good, even with multiple clients streaming off a central NAS, saves wall sockets and cables in the house.

Yeah, this has also crossed my mind.

Buying wireless tech that isn't at the bottom of the range might be my first step... :blush:
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby Wobbler on Wed 27/Jan/16 9:05am

Is "pretty good" good enough? Are you going to be supersad face the first time the wireless all shits the bed? Is installing cables now much more dicking around (I dont know how easy/hard it is for your current renooooo)
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby Kev on Wed 27/Jan/16 10:05am

I am just a luddite. The thought of physical strands of copper connecting my router with my NAS with my PC makes me happy. I don't have to worry (so much) about someone snooping my traffic and I am immune to sun spots or microwaves or whatever other interference might disrupt my wifi.

Of course I still have a couple of access points for laptops, tablets and phones but for all my immovable machines I have hardwire.

I am not handy enough to run the cables through the walls and fit patch panels so I just hide the cables, as best I can, behind furniture and under rugs.
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby danose on Wed 27/Jan/16 12:40pm

philstar wrote:unless you are running power over Ethernet (POE) for your APs this seams expensive?


I was indeed thinking proper POE APs - gets around the hassles of domestic APs needing a wallwart to power them. Something like the Ubiquiti ACs - start with one, add more as coverage requires

antennas won't like being on long cables, nor spread around (breaks mimo), and decent high gain dual band antennas are far from cheap : http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-WRT004ANT/

could you use a range extender for this or do you need a access point?


depends entirely on the RE - I had an old netgear one that would function like that (4 ethernet ports) and even better you could disable the range extension mode. Trouble is AC re's are still stupidly dear - you can often find an AC router for less (edit - just checked the new tp-link re580d ac1900 extender DOES have an option to kill the wifi extension and just act as a client bridge, so it's probably the cheaper ac1900 option)
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby danose on Wed 27/Jan/16 12:46pm

Scotty wrote:Buying wireless tech that isn't at the bottom of the range might be my first step... :blush:


there's some reasonably prices AC2400/mu-mimo routers out now (linksys ea8500, tp-link c2600). Still sod all clients, but mu-mimo should help even 'mere' ac1900 clients.

the new ac5300 triband stuff (like ac3200 was for ac1900) is still mad prices though.
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby Scotty on Wed 27/Jan/16 6:36pm

Kev wrote:I am just a luddite. The thought of physical strands of copper connecting my router with my NAS with my PC makes me happy. I don't have to worry (so much) about someone snooping my traffic and I am immune to sun spots or microwaves or whatever other interference might disrupt my wifi.

Of course I still have a couple of access points for laptops, tablets and phones but for all my immovable machines I have hardwire.

I am not handy enough to run the cables through the walls and fit patch panels so I just hide the cables, as best I can, behind furniture and under rugs.

So the coolest trick I have learnt is how to use a router to route it behind skirting boards. It's so much easier than punching holes in gib. :love:
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby danose on Thu 28/Jan/16 8:48am

Scotty wrote:So the coolest trick I have learnt is how to use a router to route it behind skirting boards. It's so much easier than punching holes in gib. :love:


You'd better pray you never need to pull any more cable thru if you're going to do that
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby Wobbler on Thu 28/Jan/16 9:50am

danose wrote:
Scotty wrote:So the coolest trick I have learnt is how to use a router to route it behind skirting boards. It's so much easier than punching holes in gib. :love:


You'd better pray you never need to pull any more cable thru if you're going to do that


Just switch to magic amazing wireless ;)
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Re: Where In The House Should Technogeekery Live?

Postby danose on Thu 28/Jan/16 12:59pm

Wobbler wrote:
danose wrote:
Scotty wrote:So the coolest trick I have learnt is how to use a router to route it behind skirting boards. It's so much easier than punching holes in gib. :love:


You'd better pray you never need to pull any more cable thru if you're going to do that


Just switch to magic amazing wireless ;)


11ad :satan: one router/ap per room - that's gonna smart

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/ ... ig-router/
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