Re: Weight Loss

Postby nostromo on Wed 15/Jul/09 10:40am

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nostromo wrote:I'm not sure that simple in/out rule is right Thorg. Case in point shmoodiver and ferg who struggle with their weight yet both do plenty of riding.
How much do you eat shmoo, do you have an example of a typical days chaffing?


That in/out rule is scientifically right.

If you expend more energy than you are putting in, you will lose weight.

Some people can get away with eating anything and staying skinny, but skinny people are not always healthy. If you have a crap diet (from a nutritional viewpoint) chances are that even if you are not overweight, you are likely to be quite unhealthy.

Nothing wrong with steak and blue cheese sauce as long as the rest of the diet is providing the multitude of other nutrients a body needs to live.

Yes but this thread is about weight not health.

I'd say there's a large genetic factor involved. Look at shmoo's diet, looks pretty healthy and moderate in size.

Yes I understand about energy in/out, but some people can clearly take more calories in, appear to expend less than someone else yet stay lighter. Maybe people who can stack weight on must have more efficient metabolisms? People who stay thin I suppose I must be heating up the air around them at rest i.e. burning more energy at rest?
Or perhaps the nutritional value in the food is absorbed less readily in the body?
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby shmoodiver on Wed 15/Jul/09 10:43am

i have always been able to build muscle really quick. and if i don't supplement my diet with protein when doing big km's then i get real tired.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby ThingOne on Wed 15/Jul/09 10:44am

I do think there is a genetic issue with weight, but through excerise and not eating tons of crap I can maintain a good weight. My natural state is overweight.

Fat people who lose weight will become awesome riders as the power in their stumps to carry the gut over the years is huge, so losing the gut means power/weight max..
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby chchbob on Wed 15/Jul/09 10:52am

ThingOne wrote:I do think there is a genetic issue with weight, but through excerise and not eating tons of crap I can maintain a good weight. My natural state is overweight.

Fat people who lose weight will become awesome riders as the power in their stumps to carry the gut over the years is huge, so losing the gut means power/weight max..


shhh as a fattie/exfattie was trying to keep that a secret .... :lol:

But I do agree, If I don't watch my diet then i do tend to put weight on very easily....
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby Trail on Wed 15/Jul/09 10:59am

nostromo wrote:Yes but this thread is about weight not health.


What, and you dont think there is a link between being healthy and losing weight??

So... 2 diets, with exactly the same amount of energy. One is healthy and nutritious and the other is just empty calories. Which one will help you lose weight?


I'd say there's a large genetic factor involved. Look at shmoo's diet, looks pretty healthy and moderate in size.

Yes I understand about energy in/out, but some people can clearly take more calories in, appear to expend less than someone else yet stay lighter. Maybe people who can stack weight on must have more efficient metabolisms? People who stay thin I suppose I must be heating up the air around them at rest i.e. burning more energy at rest?
Or perhaps the nutritional value in the food is absorbed less readily in the body?


Yes, and I would agree. I think that some people do burn a lot more energy just sitting around. Some people will stay skinny no matter what you feed them and how little exercise they do.

On the absorption thing, some people might absorb food more efficiently than others but again i would go back to what the diet consists of. Simple sugar, refined carbohydrates and highly processed fat = easily absorbed. Unprocessed foods take more energy to digest and absorb.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby scatter on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:00am

How many people pay to go to the gym to get some exercise, yet pay someone to mow their lawns, weed their gardens etc? :lol:
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby Trail on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:06am

scatter wrote:How many people pay to go to the gym to get some exercise, yet pay someone to mow their lawns, weed their gardens etc? :lol:


How many people pay to go to the gym and never actually go :sly:
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby ThingOne on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:22am

Trail wrote:
scatter wrote:How many people pay to go to the gym to get some exercise, yet pay someone to mow their lawns, weed their gardens etc? :lol:


How many people pay to go to the gym and never actually go :sly:



the best ones are those that drive to the gym, then ride a bike for 60 minutes then drive home.. Why not just cycle to the gym, turn around and cycle straight back home again.. saves on gym membership.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby phunk on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:26am

Going to the gym for most people is not about fitness or weight loss or anything other than to be seen.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby Wobbler on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:34am

ThingOne wrote:
Trail wrote:
scatter wrote:How many people pay to go to the gym to get some exercise, yet pay someone to mow their lawns, weed their gardens etc? :lol:


How many people pay to go to the gym and never actually go :sly:



the best ones are those that drive to the gym, then ride a bike for 60 minutes then drive home.. Why not just cycle to the gym, turn around and cycle straight back home again.. saves on gym membership.


You cant get run over on an exercycle (that said I'm sure someone has tried)
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby nagem on Wed 15/Jul/09 11:36am

Sometimes the gym can be a social outlet. I dislike the gym immensely. But I know some stay at home mum's who do quite a bit of socialising at the gym and it works for them.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby nzmatto on Wed 15/Jul/09 1:26pm

Trail wrote:
nostromo wrote:Yes but this thread is about weight not health.


What, and you dont think there is a link between being healthy and losing weight??

So... 2 diets, with exactly the same amount of energy. One is healthy and nutritious and the other is just empty calories. Which one will help you lose weight?



This is actually something I have tried. The answer is that both will assist you in losing weight at the same rate, however you eat the high calorie crappy food and there's your day done......the problem is that your body processes it really fast and a couple of hours later you are hungry again......and so you eat, blowing out your daily allowance and put on weight.

The trick for me is that if I either want to have some crappy food, or have just had it, I need to balance that up by reducing the total caloric intake before and / or after to match....or I have to go on a hell ride. It takes some work to do this so it just becomes easier to eat healthy right from the word go.
At the moment I am working on decreasing my total food input so am looking for foods that make me feel fuller for longer with less energy. This is working, but I sure get hungry from time to time. It is not necessarily all that healthy though, but in a controlled environment can be used for weight loss. It all comes back to having a balanced diet.

I love the advice, if you haven't killed it, dug it up, or picked it off a plant, then don't eat it. If you never buy anything more than 3 meters from the edge of a supermarket you'll probably have no problems with your food.......except that they have started putting bakeries and wine sections there now too.....so just avoid the middle. Processed food = crap food in terms of overall nutrition.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby ArjanH on Wed 15/Jul/09 1:44pm

scatter wrote:How many people pay to go to the gym to get some exercise, yet pay someone to mow their lawns, weed their gardens etc? :lol:

Hah ... many many years ago when I was right into my fitness I had a lazy boss, so I wired a siren to his office chair so when he reclined this siren would scare the shit out of him (it was the funniest thing I have ever seen, he actually ended up on his desk). In retailiation he made me dig this trench about 100 meters long by hand. I didn't mind, and when he asked me why I told him that after doing that for 3 days I wouldn't need to go to the gym for a whole week.
ThingOne wrote:I do think there is a genetic issue with weight, but through excerise and not eating tons of crap I can maintain a good weight. My natural state is overweight.Fat people who lose weight will become awesome riders as the power in their stumps to carry the gut over the years is huge, so losing the gut means power/weight max..

I have been wondering about that. If I made my riding partners carry the same amount of weight as me I am absolutely positive I could beat them up any hill. On the other hand, if I lost weight would I also loose strength as my legs no longer needed to carry me and my chubby goodness anymore?
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby Fergie on Wed 15/Jul/09 7:14pm

I tucked into a rather nice piece of steak tonight with a selection of veges and baked beans (I am a student of course). Tasted awesome and hit most of the bases of balanced macronutrients (carbs, protein and a little fat) and a good range of micronutrients (vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients).

My problem was what I ate, working all hours running a security business I lived on pies, coke and other convenience foods. Lots of food additives and trans fatty acids, saturated fat, stuff that had been sitting in a pie warmer for X days and sugar. Security work (even the mobile patrols which included walking around worksites and schools) was not a lot of activity and after a year or so of doing up to 72hrs straight life becomes a never ended series of work, sleep and eat. I was also making a lot of money and this meant lots of eating out and a preference for restaurants, cafes and takeaways then having to spend time preparing meals. So 75kg became 106kg over a 5 year period.

Sitting at 88kg at present. Challenges now are juggling study, coaching, selecting, Commissairing and trying to ride the bike myself. I also tend to push myself on the bike. I don't think this is a bad thing, it's when I try and mix intensity and duration that it turns bad. I have weaned myself off pies, pastries and ice cream but Coke, chocolate and lollies are more of a challenge. I have cut out diary and like to overdose on fruit and veg.

Yeah calories in calories out is right for the fat loss but one must also eat for health as well. My comments reflect a diet avoiding highly processed foods, food additives and trans fatty acids. These really fuck you up.
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Re: Weight Loss

Postby FLATULENTFRIEND on Wed 15/Jul/09 7:20pm

:eh: One change in thinking that has helped me in recent years is that I used to think food = almost instant energy so after a ride say, I would eat to get energy back.

I know eating after a ride is generally a good thing but its a time that we might feel justified in putting less healthy foods into our mouths which will equal more calories back on.

Now I'll have something like some rice and vegetables(cooked) or a couple of pieces of fruit and realise that I'll tired myself out and that is the way I'll be for a while to come(as I'm feeling now).
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