fatwombat wrote:Giantman wrote:proveto me that mountain bikes do more damage then walkers.
Walk along some MTB routes that haven't been made sustainable with gravel or plastic mesh with your eyes open. Better still, join a bike park supporters' group and spend a few months doing track maintenance and it will become very clear.
I love MTBing, I like gnarly technical bush riding, I'd like to see as many tracks as possible open for MTBs, but I can't imagine what you're thinking to suggest that bikes don't do more damage than feet. Feet make separate isolated marks so it is very unusual for walkers to all step in exactly the same place; bikes make a continuous groove which becomes a line for subsequent riders to follow. That means that, even on flat tracks, bikes are going to wear a groove in a way that walkers wouldn't.
Once you get onto slopes the relative performance of bikes against walkers is even worse: going uphill, back wheels spin and make little gouges; descending, the way most youngsters and beginners ride is to go as fast as possible and lock up the back wheel around the corners. But even careful descenders are likely to get some slide.
These grooves and gouges can amount to a significant amount of track damage by themselves. On a surface that hasn't been designed for riding, they will also become runoff channels for rainwater, and this leads to serious erosion damage in a relatively short time.
I hope this gives you a starting point to rethink your perspective. I also hope you can convince the council to open up tracks for MTBing, even if that means user group has to be set up to fund preliminary upgrading of track surfaces. Just don't tell them to "prove that mountain bikes do more damage then walkers", or the project will never get off the ground.
Fark, for someone who professes to "love mountain biking" you have a pretty tarnished view of what happens out there!! I sure hope I dont have to ride any of the mountain bike tracks you have built with your gravel and plastic mesh, that just makes for a horrible riding surface!!
Look at the Rotorua tracks. How much gravel and plastic mesh have you seen used there?
I do a fairly large amount of riding on tracks that were never designed with a mountain bike in mind, in fact a number of my favorite tracks would have been around many years before the idea of riding a bike off road was considered. These tracks have been walked for many years, and are now starting to get bikers on them as well... and guess what?? You can hardly see the difference!!
Specific Down hill tracks where people are getting shuttled to the top and bombing down on big bikes can create the sort of wear you are talking about, but I have yet to see one track that has been wrecked by people biking up it
How about numbers. Sure there are people out there who love their walking and walk those tracks a lot, but in general I think you will find that there is a whole bunch more of the population interested in getting out and about on their bikes. Why should the minority have more right to the tracks than the majority?