Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Spyder on Fri 21/Aug/09 8:59am

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10592109

It does seem to be focused on the skinny tire variants, but good to see some positive press.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby dented on Fri 21/Aug/09 9:18am

Quite surprised Vanessa Quinn or Cam didnt get a mention there, not even in the top 20 it seems
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby thekiwi on Fri 21/Aug/09 9:26am

dented wrote:Quite surprised Vanessa Quinn or Cam didnt get a mention there, not even in the top 20 it seems

Or Sarah Walker .... must have been just the skinny wheel list.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Oli on Fri 21/Aug/09 9:30am

Yeah, it's a shame our MTB and BMX champions don't get any recognition for their amazing results. :hmmm:

Great list of road and track achievements there though. :thumbsup:
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby noel_whiteside on Fri 21/Aug/09 10:45am

It's funny how what is seen as success is different in different countries. Where is Paul Jessons name on that list. For me, as a cyclist coming from Europe, a stage win at any grand tour has to be better than any win on the track or a medal on the road at either Olympics or Commentwealth. I'd even put getting a ride at Le Tour above some of these other acheivments on the list.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Gavatron on Fri 21/Aug/09 10:59am

Very good piece which should generate some healthy debate. Any list like this is subjective and Terry Maddaford covers himself well by stressing these are highlights and that there are others of note.

You can easily debate several inclusions. A couple in this list seem to be there because they were first, for example Harry Watson first Kiwi to race in the TdF. But is that a top 10 Kiwi Cycling moment? It wouldn't be on my list even though he is obviously one of our greats.

As for for the list being road and track weighted doesn't this just reflect the reality that there is a hierarchy - road and track/MTB/BMX?

And even within those different parts of cycle racing there are hierarchies e.g. road race: world champs vs Olympics vs TdF. Also I feel comparisons are distorted when it comes to track because of the numbers of events that you can potentially compete or specialise in and win a championship as against road racing when everyone involved is looking to win the one event, (or max two if you include the world TT champs.

Great list to be proud of though.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby bicyclegod on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:09am

"6 The 1992 Commonwealth Games cycling team"

:thumbsup: Well done NZ Herald! :crazy:
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Chickenman on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:15am

Gavatron wrote:Very good piece which should generate some healthy debate. Any list like this is subjective and Terry Maddaford covers himself well by stressing these are highlights and that there are others of note.

You can easily debate several inclusions. A couple in this list seem to be there because they were first, for example Harry Watson first Kiwi to race in the TdF. But is that a top 10 Kiwi Cycling moment? It wouldn't be on my list even though he is obviously one of our greats.

As for for the list being road and track weighted doesn't this just reflect the reality that there is a hierarchy - road and track/MTB/BMX?

And even within those different parts of cycle racing there are hierarchies e.g. road race: world champs vs Olympics vs TdF. Also I feel comparisons are distorted when it comes to track because of the numbers of events that you can potentially compete or specialise in and win a championship as against road racing when everyone involved is looking to win the one event, (or max two if you include the world TT champs.

Great list to be proud of though.


Agreed, although I suspect the hierarchy is more track, road, BMX, tri(cycling, as opposed triatlon) MTB.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Scotty on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:18am

dented wrote:Quite surprised Vanessa Quinn or Cam didnt get a mention there, not even in the top 20 it seems

...or Scarlett even. :sly:

Mainstream media should stick to what it does well, performing autopsies over the latest failed rugby test.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby happybaboon on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:20am

It's a good read... But does the Herald understand the difference between a moment and a person?
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby bicyclegod on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:20am

A win in any road or track event trumps every fat tyre event.
Sorry fellas, feel free to cry but its horrifically true. Say what you want I'm stating the facts.
You should make your own list of non cycling greatest moments :lol:
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Conners on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:41am

happybaboon wrote:It's a good read... But does the Herald understand the difference between a moment and a person?

Agreed - I was expecting to see moments as per the title, not a list of people ranked by the number and significance of their moments!

Before reading the article Ulmer's Athens gold medal + WR was the first thing that came into my head though...
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby psyclist on Fri 21/Aug/09 11:49am

From my own subjective view I rate Olympic gold achievements in cycling just ahead of World Championship golds, mainly for the reason it is once every four years and captures the imagination of the public. Even though Commonwealth games acheivements are worthy of mention, we know the real power base in cycling is in Europe not the Commonwealth.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby Gavatron on Fri 21/Aug/09 12:41pm

Chickenman wrote:Agreed, although I suspect the hierarchy is more track, road, BMX, tri(cycling, as opposed triatlon) MTB.


I think it depends on your perspective - the public perception or funder's priorities. BikeNZ rates track above road because that is where we have been and will most likely continue to be successful. But how would a gold medal in the points race or the Keirin at the track world champs and a win in the world champs road race compare? Or a win in the 4000m IP as against the road race? That's what I mean about hiearchies within disciplines. You've got more chances on the track and some medals would be seen as bigger than others wouldn't they?

As a cycling fan I would rate a MTB gold medal above BMX but I don't know how it would be seen generally.
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Re: Kiwi Cycling's Top 10 Moments

Postby sifter on Fri 21/Aug/09 12:48pm

Conners wrote:
happybaboon wrote:It's a good read... But does the Herald understand the difference between a moment and a person?

Agreed - I was expecting to see moments as per the title, not a list of people ranked by the number and significance of their moments!

Before reading the article Ulmer's Athens gold medal + WR was the first thing that came into my head though...


First thing I thought of too...

It helps to have the full TV coverage I think.
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