michael wrote:

thorg wrote: racist

Fascist!!

damn - sprung

michael wrote:

bigJIMMY wrote:let the minorities govern the majority!

Only as much as they let them

do you get MMP ??

minorities get power. fuck the main parties, split the vote.

These 'main' parties could make a coalition to keep the minority parties out of government?

phunk wrote:Actually my position is that everyone knows whats best for themselves and want nothing to do with telling everyone else how they should live their lives.

Sounds like a Kropotkin type syndicalist argument to me?

Do they teach you anything at economist school about how societies actually work?

bigJIMMY wrote:

michael wrote:

bigJIMMY wrote:let the minorities govern the majority!

Only as much as they let them

do you get MMP ??

Yes, do you?

The minior parties each got a few policy concessions. Unfortunately for the greens one of those rubbed some fundamentalist the wrong way (who already have an irrational dislike for the greens) and all hell broke loose.

In my opinion only once have we had a minor party unreasonably dominate the Government - Winston First back in 1996. Since then the minor parties have played MINOR roles... Last time round only small concessions were made by Labour to please the Christians and Winston First. Most of the policy has been Labour's own.

Our problem isn't the form of democracy, it's that we've got too many total-eatass politicians like Winston Peters, Murray McCully and Jerry the Hutt gunning for power.

I'll vote for the green when they promise to build a nice cycle lane along transmission gully for us to use....

BTW, it's got to have a seperate 4 lanes for those nasty motor vehicles to keep them away from me...

Well I vote and donate Green, glad to see them up in the polls. Great to see a slick marketing campaign this year, and very much doubt they will get shafted by Labour this time around.

They know they can't let it happen again, they will simply have to walk away and do what they did this time and get more private members bills through.

There are only two parties in NZ that you can vote for and know for sure what you are getting, ACT and the Greens. The rest have no principles and no passion.

I think the talk of 'envy taxes' and 'greens wanting other people to pay for everything is tired. The greens are about the only party calling for farmers to pay their share of the kyoto tax. The rest want the tax payers to pay directly. And green supporters wanting envy taxes? That's bullshit. I don't have a problem with the tax I pay, I pay a LOT of it compared to the average kiwi but I do care how it gets spent.

Big spending greens? they've managed to do a lot on a pretty small budget.

The cliches are tired, the Greens are not

benw wrote:

There are only two parties in NZ that you can vote for and know for sure what you are getting, ACT and the Greens. The rest have no principles and no passion.

someone else here is switched on!

michael wrote:

bigJIMMY wrote:

michael wrote:

bigJIMMY wrote:let the minorities govern the majority!

Only as much as they let them

do you get MMP ??

Yes, do you?

The minior parties each got a few policy concessions. Unfortunately for the greens one of those rubbed some fundamentalist the wrong way (who already have an irrational dislike for the greens) and all hell broke loose.

hmm.... studied politics for a while but i'm no Colin Hay

CrustyMTB wrote:

phunk wrote:Actually my position is that everyone knows whats best for themselves and want nothing to do with telling everyone else how they should live their lives.

Sounds like a Kropotkin type syndicalist argument to me?

Do they teach you anything at economist school about how societies actually work?

I post so much crap on here that I dont even know what I actually believe in anymore

if greens are voted in then the country is screwed

Ben_T wrote: if greens are voted in then the country is screwed

That's a pretty simplistic analysis, care to elaborate? Anything specific that you think will screw the country. I'd argue that the only parties who have proved themselves capable of "screwing" (by which I have to assume you mean major change) the country are Labour and National. Everyone else just tips the balance here and there.

Even Winston has failed to 'screw' the country as you put it.

Ben_T wrote: if greens are voted in then the country is screwed

Mmmmm cause Labour and National have really set the bar high haven't they?

BenW is right, the only principled parties are Act and the Greens, the others are lotteries, who knows whether you'll get Ruthenasia or a Keysean National Party, and Labour have been a curious mixture of centrist conservatism, new-right Chicago school economics and old-skool unionism since the eighties...

What I'm really hoping for out of this election is the door hitting Winston on the arse as he leaves, never to be seen again to pollute our electoral processes.

And Phunk, I still you, you crazy libertarian, free-marketeer you!

phunk wrote:

CrustyMTB wrote:

phunk wrote:Actually my position is that everyone knows whats best for themselves and want nothing to do with telling everyone else how they should live their lives.

Sounds like a Kropotkin type syndicalist argument to me?

Do they teach you anything at economist school about how societies actually work?

I post so much crap on here that I dont even know what I actually believe in anymore

Now that is precisely the sort of honest comment that will get you lynched on Vorb. You need to be more careful