The majority of our customers are in the states so its great for us as well our competitors are falling by the wayside as well

Thumbs up and full respect to the greens on this issue

Transport is becoming an inceassingly important issue with peak oil on the horizon leading to rising fuel prices aswell as New Zealands growing greenhouse emmissions. The greens seem to be doing a lot to address it which could be a huge benifit to our economy especially in the mid to long term.

Jesus fucking christ - I can't believe the fugging Einstiens around this place

CrustyMTB - No I haven't lived in 20 countries ... I have however lived in a a few and have travelled widely. Don't need to do an indept analysis to know that I can go to Sydney, London or New York and get taxed a shit load less than I do here. Of course, I would have to live with several million arseholes - much nicer living in NZ with a similar percentage of them - just less overall in total numbers

michael - yes I could have busted out the old saying. Then I would of course be just like all the other tools that followthe party line blindly. I do base things on my reality - if one bases things on someone elses reality they are usually in for a huge disappointment.
If you think the only tax we are being taxed on is rates then you better piss off and learn what the hell you are defending ..... I will put 1 forward that is possibly overlooked in your hurry tro put down other peoples ideas ... Petrol. We pay a shitload of GST on the TAX that is a major component in the price of petrol.

And yes michael - I do know how much tax I pay. Last weeks grocery bill had about $22.00 GST. My fuel cost had about $78.00 tax component. My salary was taxed at 34.4 % and I could work out my rates and all the other shit if I bothered, but why the hell should I depress myself

benw - shit man, So Cal is a very expensive place to live. Not only that, but it is way overcrowded these days and the smog is a bitch. The big problem stateside however is the inclination to file a law suit at the drop of a hat - or a pencil, or anything else that will offend some dickwad to try to screw you.
As far as tax cuts go - I bet most would be happy to continue paying what we currently do if - and a big IF .... the taxes we pay actually went to core public services such as police, education & health and not get pissed away like it currently is.
Uncle Helen has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

RussS wrote: Jesus fucking christ - I can't believe the fugging Einstiens around this place

CrustyMTB - No I haven't lived in 20 countries ... I have however lived in a a few and have travelled widely. Don't need to do an indept analysis to know that I can go to Sydney, London or New York and get taxed a shit load less than I do here. Of course, I would have to live with several million arseholes - much nicer living in NZ with a similar percentage of them - just less overall in total numbers

Dude chill the fuck out, all I said was I believe the OECD before you, I've lived a shit load of places too and got "taxed" less, cause I was single, and used relatively little in the way of medical services, paid less gst/vat/state sales tax because I was single etc, etc, etc.

Nowadays I have a family so if I moved to Aus, England, Canada I will pay the difference in tax in medical insurance, the extra liability insurance component in my contents/MV insurance, the extra state tax, because more is getting spent on food/nappies/cheese than before. So your subjective experiences mean squat when you compare all that to EVERYONE else. Sure if your a couple/single with no kids in a high income bracket you might pay more tax in NZ than in SOME other countries. If you're most other people (or are running a business for that matter) the OECD figures show (if you bothered to read them that) we pay (as a whole Nation full of people) on the lower side.

If your'e going to say that your subjective experiences are truth in the face of credible data which shows otherwise expect to get served - Einstein.

HTH(I'm a twerp) Champ

RussS wrote: Jesus fucking christ - I can't believe the fugging Einstiens around this place

benw - shit man, So Cal is a very expensive place to live. Not only that, but it is way overcrowded these days and the smog is a bitch.

Southern California, wouldn't live there, always strictly Northern California for me with the exception of visiting LAX.

RussS wrote:As far as tax cuts go - I bet most would be happy to continue paying what we currently do if - and a big IF .... the taxes we pay actually went to core public services such as police, education & health and not get pissed away like it currently is.

That's a different and no less interesting debate. But you were talking about being over taxed, not complaining about the quality of the spending. Sorry to be a bit slow, but you know apparently I am a 'fugging Einstien' as you put it.

RussS wrote:Uncle Helen has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

Rubbish, if anything Labour has been playing to its constituents (working for families, student loan right-offs, kids health funding, 20 hours free childcare et cetera). Oh, but if you're fuming about Labour's support for the Section 59 repeal which was a Private Members Bill (not a Government Bill) then don't forget which way John Key and the Nats voted on that one

Nah - I was referring to the ministry of left handed lesbians or whatever the hell the latest crackpot idea they came up with

... Nor Cal is a tad better - still too freaking overcrowded these days. Crap, one day a big shake will split the whole place off the continent and it will disappear under the water - I always thought Nevada would make a nice coastline

RussS wrote: [Helen Clark] has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

I guess that's what happens coming off the back of a government hell bent on destroying all they can of a bureaucracy in a desperate attempt to make privatization more palatable. If it has increased disproportionately to the number of services provided when population growth is taken into account (which I'm not entirely sure it has, and wouldn't believe till someone who isn't Gerry Brownlee or Matthew Hooton provides some numbers to prove it) then you'd probably find if you averaged out the decrease under the previous National government with the increase under this Labour government, you'd probably find not much has changed on a per capita basis. But don't let this get in the way of your anger greed and ideology.

we need another David Lange. A politician with balls and some basic sincerity.

A new aged David Lange, I would vote for that.


in the mean time, Greens get my vote.

RussS wrote: Uncle Helen has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

Way to swallow right rhetoric. Champion.

bigJIMMY wrote: we need another David Lange. A politician with balls and some basic sincerity.

A new aged David Lange, I would vote for that.

Lange could be an outright cunzor when he wanted to be.

Not to mention he allowed rogernomics to happen.

Like I keep saying, the two major parties are as bad as each other. Fortunately you seem to have recognised this and have gone for a third party. Good choice.

Scotty wrote:Lange could be an outright cunzor when he wanted to be.

Not to mention he allowed rogernomics to happen.

Lange was the shit. I love listening to his Oxford Union debate - makes me proud to be an NZer. Yeah, he let Rogernomics happen and that sucks hard... but you can't judge him solely on that. He also stood up and told TWO nuclear superpowers to go shove their heads up their own asses. The dude had epic huge balls.

Also, one time I went to Parliament when I was a little kid, and he was walking through the foyer when I was and he grinned and waved at me. He was a GC.

happybaboon wrote:Yeah, he let Rogernomics happen and that sucks hard... but you can't judge him solely on that.

Yes, you can.

People judge current day politicians on much, much less.

(...for the record, I have an awesome amount of respect for the guy)

RussS wrote: Uncle Helen has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

All we need is the rasping sound of too many cigarettes combined with the slurr of sherry in the afternoon and here we have Mr talkback radio caller.
Don't even know where to start with your mindless blurting, it's pointless.

nostromo wrote:

RussS wrote: Uncle Helen has presided over a shitbox government that ignorse the wishes of its constituency and has increased the size of our bureaucracy at a rate not experienced since probably the original founding of our government

All we need is the rasping sound of too many cigarettes combined with the slurr of sherry in the afternoon and here we have Mr talkback radio caller.
Don't even know where to start with your mindless blurting, it's pointless.

Political talkback radio right before an election is almost as good as sports talkback immediately following a big rugby loss

Lange's biggest failing was not seeing Rogernomics thru to the end, he pulled out too early.