Re: Go The Dads!

Postby oldandlazy on Thu 26/Apr/18 1:20pm

Conners wrote:
oldandlazy wrote:Has anyone got any opinions on using a trailgator type device to tow a five year old?
Any recommendations on a model to go for?

Try this thread yo
Also - I think Derrick has one.

I also have one now. The boy seems to like it and it’s much easier to balance my bike towing him than it was with him on a rack seat.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Conners on Thu 26/Apr/18 7:07pm

Nice - I might need one too, #1 is capable of riding for ages and #2 is only just getting his pedal on. Would be a good way to get out with them both.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Velocipedestrian on Mon 8/Oct/18 10:39am

So, child number two is getting the hang of this walking thing, and child number one is a hooligan on the balance bike...
It feels like time to step her up to a 'petal' bike, and hand down the balance bike to young sir.

I'm thinking she might fit a 16" wheel with lowish standover, but weight and general crapness of the ones I see around are a bit of a concern. Anyone got recommendations?
Small bikes in the (welly) shed they're finished with?

The plan so far is to remove the drivetrain completely until she has the hang of the size, maybe introduce brakes before pedalling? Anyone tried that order? Experiences?
Cheers all.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Dougal on Mon 8/Oct/18 5:41pm

Velocipedestrian wrote:So, child number two is getting the hang of this walking thing, and child number one is a hooligan on the balance bike...
It feels like time to step her up to a 'petal' bike, and hand down the balance bike to young sir.

I'm thinking she might fit a 16" wheel with lowish standover, but weight and general crapness of the ones I see around are a bit of a concern. Anyone got recommendations?
Small bikes in the (welly) shed they're finished with?

The plan so far is to remove the drivetrain completely until she has the hang of the size, maybe introduce brakes before pedalling? Anyone tried that order? Experiences?
Cheers all.


#1 at that age is colour. If it's the right colour they'll never stop trying to ride it. If it's the wrong colour they'll never start trying to ride it.

Pedal first, brake later.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Conners on Mon 8/Oct/18 6:57pm

Dougal wrote:#1 at that age is colour.

Our kids don’t think so. Here’s our boy (he’s about to turn 4) riding his sisters 12” hand me down. Perhaps he knows about pink being #enduro?

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And then here is our daughter on her 16” SE Bikes Lil Ripper, full boy styles in chrome. Ok so I put the pink grips on for her, but seriously don’t think it was a game breaker if they had stayed black. Again, another hand-me-down (which was a gift from an uncle who loves his BMXs)

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But the actual reason for posting that photo is not about the grip colour, but about the wheel size. 16” is such a versatile size. She started riding that before she was 5, still going strong on it at nearly seven, and I can’t see her outgrowing it before she has the standover height for the 20” Giant MTB that is hanging waiting in the garage (another hand-me-down).

If you can get the 16” to work standover wise I reckon your conversion to a balance bike first could be the go.

I also disagree with Dougal on this one too - if you go that way I would totally introduce brakes before pedals. Kids get kick brakes pretty quick, but hand brakes did take some getting used to to begin with on the 16”
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Dougal on Mon 8/Oct/18 8:19pm

Clearly neither pink nor chrome are the wrong colours for those kids.
I've seen boys wanting pink bikes, parents refusing, leaving the bike shop with a black/blue bike and a screaming boy.

You know that kick brakes need pedals right? Velocipedestrian was going to remove the pedals. So no kick brakes. You'd be left with a single front hand-brake on most 16" bikes. Which kids don't have the hand strength to use properly.

The two issues I've got.
16" bikes don't handle well. Speed wobbles are a horrifying thing. 20" MTB you can't find any with a tapered head-tube.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Conners on Mon 8/Oct/18 9:10pm

Yeah, I get what he was going to do. Use it as a balance bike, and then add brakes. Then add pedals. Get the braking sorted before you add the speed.

Haven’t had any speed wobbles yet, but probably haven’t been fast enough.

Why do you need a tapered steerer on a kids bike? Surely you have enough straight steerer forks lying around that you can max out the custom tune factor if you need to?
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Dougal on Tue 9/Oct/18 9:00am

Conners wrote:Yeah, I get what he was going to do. Use it as a balance bike, and then add brakes. Then add pedals. Get the braking sorted before you add the speed.

Haven’t had any speed wobbles yet, but probably haven’t been fast enough.

Why do you need a tapered steerer on a kids bike? Surely you have enough straight steerer forks lying around that you can max out the custom tune factor if you need to?


I've got some projects that would be a whole lot easier with a tapered steerer. We'll see what the next year brings.

Speed wobbles seem to be brought on with front braking downhill. It appears the bmx based geometry of some 16" bikes doesn't handle that well. I'm hoping mtb based versions will be more stable.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Conners on Tue 9/Oct/18 10:12am

Roger Roger.

Rear brakes only on our 16” - which I think is genius. Way less chance of a washout, and less thinking required.

Will be interesting to see how the addition of gears and a front brake go on the 20”
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Velocipedestrian on Tue 9/Oct/18 8:09pm

Well, she doesn't seem super concerned about the colour of many things yet, but I know where to buy a rattle can if required.

The front brake only could lead to a challenge, I'll be on the lookout for something with v bosses both ends. I'm still liking the brakes before drive idea.

Tapered vs straight isn't even on the radar, I'll be looking for a rigid fork over a pretend suspension unit like many seem to come with. I'm sure the geometry will be dire, but we have to get the basics down before steeps are a problem.

Cheers folks, now who's got the bike for me?
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Velocipedestrian on Thu 20/Dec/18 8:26pm

Byk acquired, drive removed, custom rubber foot pegs installed.
Not sure the legs are going to be long enough for 18" wheels, but the rollover is great.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Conners on Thu 20/Dec/18 11:06pm

That's awesome. Will rip a mean skid for sure!
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Philthy on Sat 22/Dec/18 10:00am

Yeah the byk 350 is a great bike, my 3 yr old doesn't mind the purple on the one he inherited from his big blister. After ripping around on the Firstbike for a while he had no trouble graduating to the pedal bike.
But I reckon leaving the pedals on is the go - little hands can't operate brake levers, the young fella quickly got really good at using foot brake to control his speed downhill. Very important living in dunedin!
Also using kick brake encourages keeping weight on pedals through the rough stuff, a good habit to ingrained early.
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Re: Go The Dads!

Postby Velocipedestrian on Sat 22/Dec/18 10:09am

Fair point, but the legs might not reach the ground, so the lack of drivetrain is to get used to the size first.
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