Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Oli on Wed 26/Mar/14 9:18am

Just a point about the tyre pressures, Craig will be talking about running those pressures in expensive tubular tyres - totally different from clincher Gators. You will be beaten up and lose energy from running such high pressures in a non-supple tyre like them, so I'd recommend 100-110psi, or even less if you are under 90kg.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Barbsarama on Wed 26/Mar/14 12:08pm

I use gators and run 120psi and am under 90kg :huh:
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Oli on Wed 26/Mar/14 12:30pm

Drop the pressure and you will lessen fatigue, corner more safely and gain free speed, I promise.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby wachtourak on Wed 26/Mar/14 12:52pm

foremannz wrote:
ArjanH wrote:And at what sort of pressure?

I usually run the max pressure - currently running 120psi. Cross checked that with an old cycling buddy who now works as a Tour de France/pro tour team mechanic (Craig Geater, Green Edge), who confirmed the riders liked 120-140psi.


Remember that tour riders are all on tubulars and while tubulars might feel fine at 120-140PSI, an average clincher that most people will ride will feel like shit at 120PSI. Unless you are a really big unit, 100PSI will feel better and roll faster, especially on the rubbish chip-seal that 90% of our roads are.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Simonius_Titius on Wed 26/Mar/14 1:02pm

Or eat up and earn that 120psi.

Non -hardshell Gatorskins are a major increase in toughness over racing tyres.

Aren't Gatorskin hardshells the ones with puncture protection extending over the whole sidewall, like Armadillos? I'd expect that would make them feel clunky and be slow like Armadillos. They are well regarded in those deserty countries with goats-heat thorns or whatever they are called, the ones that wrap around and stab your sidewalls.

I'm using big Specialised All Conditions at the moment, they are nice to ride on but nothing like as tough as Gators.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby foremannz on Wed 26/Mar/14 1:16pm

Yeah, the Hardshells are the bead to bead protection version - call me overcautious, but for a 150km ride, I want to finish on the tires I started on ...
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Barbsarama on Wed 26/Mar/14 4:23pm

Oli wrote:Drop the pressure and you will lessen fatigue, corner more safely and gain free speed, I promise.


But, but, but... All the advice I've gained over my adult cycling life has told me to ride 120 and it says to fill them to 120 on the tyre, plus I may be fooling myself (psychosomatic) but I think I notice if it's 100 or less :blush:
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby slumdog on Wed 26/Mar/14 4:38pm

Barbsarama wrote:and it says to fill them to 120 on the tyre :blush:

That's not an instruction, it is a maximum safe level. Like a 4 person limit in an elevator, elevator still works fine up until you exceed the limit.

Tyres generally lose pressure over time, so if you don't fill every week, at points you may be already riding at 100psi. I'm on 25mm now (Oli's advise to others prompted the switch), at 80kg I'm running 90fr95rr. Very comfaaay.

Refer here. Work on dropping pressure 5psi at a time until it feels too squishy, then go back up.

I drop 10psi in the wet, rather a pinch flat than slip and slide.

But at the end of the day, do what you feel comfortable with!

Save for riding over a once in 100 year tyre slasher, those tyres will mos def get you there foremannz!
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby wachtourak on Wed 26/Mar/14 4:41pm

I'm with slumdog, also been running 25's for a while at 90PSI, super comfy, fast and sticky

Gatorskins and the like feel like poop, I dunno how anyone can ride on something with such a non-supple casing. I ran Michelin Pro4 Service Course at taupo last year (and run them all day err day). Didn't puncture at Taupo on them ergo they are fine. Only ever get flats riding anywhere near the CBD on them from mongtards smashing bottles all over the place
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Oli on Wed 26/Mar/14 5:28pm

Barbsarama wrote:
Oli wrote:Drop the pressure and you will lessen fatigue, corner more safely and gain free speed, I promise.


But, but, but... All the advice I've gained over my adult cycling life has told me to ride 120 and it says to fill them to 120 on the tyre.


That's 80s advice and outmoded thinking.

And you would notice it if it's 100 or less, but it only feels worse because of what you are used to - give it a while and you will love it. Read Slumdog's link, and know that info is backed up by experts from Continental, Shwalbe, Tour magazine and most knowledgeable industry and racing pundits.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Oli on Wed 26/Mar/14 5:36pm

A few years back I was working for a woman's pro team and one of the riders had been told by her husband/coach to ride her tubs at 180 psi (equivalent to about 140 on clinchers) and she couldn't understand why her bike would skip and slip when she sprinted, plus her descending felt so sketchy. It took nearly an entire Tour to convince her to run them at 120psi but she was convinced and her sprinting and cornering improved vastly as a direct result. Another team mate (A US Olympian and Worlds medal winner) was staggered when she heard, as at 10kg heavier she was running similar tubular tyres at 110psi on the advice of the US Team mechanic!
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Crashed on Wed 26/Mar/14 6:14pm

For a plush fast ride around the Lake go for 28's (if they will fit) and max pressure 80psi the boys will thank you for it after a day on the bike , you'll also be able to walk normal when you get off your bike. I don't ride anything smaller than 28's now
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby mjl on Wed 26/Mar/14 6:33pm

Last year I won Taupo on a Fat Bike.
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby great uncle bulgaria on Wed 26/Mar/14 6:36pm

mjl wrote:Last year I won Taupo on a Fat Bike.

but how many bottles?
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Re: Taupo Beckons

Postby Barbsarama on Wed 26/Mar/14 7:30pm

Oli wrote:
Barbsarama wrote:
Oli wrote:Drop the pressure and you will lessen fatigue, corner more safely and gain free speed, I promise.


But, but, but... All the advice I've gained over my adult cycling life has told me to ride 120 and it says to fill them to 120 on the tyre.


That's 80s advice and outmoded thinking.

And you would notice it if it's 100 or less, but it only feels worse because of what you are used to - give it a while and you will love it. Read Slumdog's link, and know that info is backed up by experts from Continental, Shwalbe, Tour magazine and most knowledgeable industry and racing pundits.


Will resist the urge to top up when they go down over time then i guess and see how it goes.

I don't race with gator skins, they're only on my training wheels ;)
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