Postby Jesus-Scotland on Wed 15/Oct/08 11:12pm

I moved from Scotland 6 months ago

Live in Christchurch (visited Auckland recently and wouldnt live there; seems like a less exciting Glasgow)

we were looking for less time commuting, living near trails (15 mins ride) and a beach + ski area close by.

We were expecting a pay cut; but get roughly the same - we save about 2-3 grand a year we would have spent on fuel and insurance in the uk. food is cheaper, complete bikes are cheaper, parts cost more, there is a far better choice of cars. there is a far worse choice of fashon clothes for the MRS. it was a really wet winter here and it was like summer in Scotland (only with 3m of snow on the slopes). ...... you need to get used to riding in the heat tho!

And you can fly to oz if you fancy a trip to the big city....PS iv saved about 70 hours of traffic jam time since i got here
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Postby gammmmo on Wed 15/Oct/08 11:21pm

Yes, family/firends is obviously a big one. I think my missus will be comforted by the fact that her brother and his wife are planning on emigrating out to Sydney...so that'll be a mere 2-3 hours away. ;)
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Postby gammmmo on Sat 1/Nov/08 1:44am

Jesus-Scotland...many of those things are plus points for us. My g/f had to smile when you said about women's fashion being more limited...she mainly prefers outdoorsy gear anyway - her idea of heaven is finding a shop thats selling half price running kit!!!
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Postby more_horse_link on Sat 1/Nov/08 8:46pm

gammmmo wrote:

One of the few problems (this may be a plus point for some people!) with NZ is its remoteness of course. Here, I can hop on a plane and be in the Alps, southern Spain or even Scandinavia in 2 hours. But....people just don't seem to take advantage of that as much as perhaps they should.


I'm originally from the UK and have lived in Australia (various parts) for 8 yrs and and now reside in Christchurch- nearly 12 month now.

NZ is not remote! Flying from one side to the other is just afew hours. I used to travel for 3 hrs by car just to ride my local trails back in Australia :crazy:

Have a good trip- you will love it.... just remember to bring your bike as teh trails here are mind bending.

Oh and as for "UK or NZ" - you won't know until you do it. Good Luck :)
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Postby Maz on Sat 1/Nov/08 9:48pm

Definitely have a look at Nelson too when you come over. City in the region with the most sunshine hours New Zealand has to offer.

Massive numbers of people from the UK living here. They love the place. Hot summers, mild winters compared to Christchurch (5 hours south) and other areas.


Awesome beachs minutes from town. Abel Tasman National park and Golden Bay area which is a must to visit if you get to the top of the South Island.

Great mtb. From purpose built DH and XC tracks to epic back country single track 15 minutes ride from the centre of town.

Heaps of people come up from Christchurch and the likes to ride in the area, not that they havn't got some great riding down there as well.
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Postby sircrashalot on Sat 1/Nov/08 10:46pm

you my be hoping for 2 much. :)
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Postby RJM on Mon 3/Nov/08 11:30am

MTB is not risky enough - if you really want to take your life in your hands and try bungee jumping without a cord - trying Roadbiking in New Zealand. Most fatal sport in NZ.
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby Whoops on Mon 12/Jan/09 9:31pm

1. Can't say about Canada, but as good as the UK except no bridleways. Maybe better on the scenery front, but proximity to European trails is .... not so good.
2. Similar
3. Better. WAAAAAAAAAAY Better
4. No - about the same as the UK
5. In certain spots, yes (e.g Rotorua)
6. See item 1.

Come on down, you'll not go back.
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby Fraser on Tue 13/Jan/09 3:19am

All I would say is anywhere is great when you are on holiday. Living and working, thats what stuffs most poms when they go to live in Spain. They want a little england, but with better weather. NZ has alot more postives out weighing the negatives. Most Poms would move out of the UK if they could, on the other hand most Kiwis would always move back to NZ. It has good MTB and DH, as with most things in NZ they have a good spread of everything. The nice thing is that you can ride good tracks on your way home, rather than making expoditions to Wales like we did in the UK. As others have mentioned its better that you make the decision yourself, it normally takes a year to get sorted with a job/place you like etc anyway when you move country. As for the family issues, well they can always come and visit on holiday.
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby Geordie on Mon 19/Jan/09 7:33am

Hi. Moved here from Newcastle upon Tyne two years ago. Miss the freedom of being to ride just about everywhere. If you have the choice of living any ware in NZ this will have a great effect upon your quality of riding. If you are free to choose then there are some great places. However this seems to be a young sport over here and things are opening up. I have seen more trails open up over here in the two years we have been here. I moved up to Kerikeri in the north. There are not many trails up here but I would not move from here all the same. Life in general is much better than in the UK. We have made far more friends over here and have the time to mix with them. Could be out every night at one BBQ or another in the summer. Oh yes! They do have summer over here unlike the UK. I do not make anything like what I did in the UK but I do not care. We spend less because we are much happier. You do not need retail therapy. The people are great but the main thing to success over here is the fact that it is you that has to adapt not the other way around. Since moving here we have seen a few Brits go back home. They tend to be the ones who discover for some strange reason that this is not the UK. It is vital to make a careful choice of where you live. If your wife is into running then there are some fantastic places to run amongst great countryside. If we were to start from scratch I would probably have chosen somewhere in South Island just because of the mountain biking. However there and more things to life and you could not tear me away from Kerikeri. Very hard to give one reason why. Could be that we now have more land than we could ever have owned in the UK, a swimming pool which I never would have expected, a much better work / life balance, a boss who enforces a positive work life balance, more time to play / socialise, really interesting people to mix with, a general positive attitude (can do), no winter (we really do live in the winterless north), more time to exercise, better environment to bring kids up in and many other points. In terms of the people here they are very different to the UK. You will be talking to someone who seems just a normal person and then as you get to know them more they will inform you of something special they have done in the past which is far from normal. For example walking across China or building an 18 metre boat in their garden. People do amazing stuff over here but do not make a big thing of it. Sorry but to sum up - There are not as many trails, the roads are dangerous unless you choose the time and place (common sense really) with care, you will not have the access of Scotland, you will not have the scale of Canada (been there twice), you will need to adapt rather than expecting it to be like the UK, you need to choose the place you live according to what you want to do. We were originally going to move to Canada but got sick of the time it was taking. Canada is great but the long winter now seems a bit of a downer. I have met a couple (who are now good friends of the family) over here from Canada who would not go back. We have also met quite a few very intense and rather patronising Canadians who insist on getting you to save the world. I am a vegetarian and have always been interested in the environment but they still seem to want to lecture me on what I am doing wrong. Kiwis have a more relaxed outlook and a great sense of humour and they are friendly. As long as you do not say anything bad about the All Blacks. We have not been back to the UK in just over two years and do not really want to. If you want shops, take away food and your job is everything do not move to NZ if you want an outdoors life, interesting friends, time to do stuff or time to do nothing for that matter move to NZ.
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby RHR_Rob on Tue 10/Feb/09 10:20pm

Geordie wrote:Hi. Moved here from Newcastle upon Tyne two years ago. Miss the freedom of being to ride just about everywhere. If you have the choice of living any ware in NZ this will have a great effect upon your quality of riding. If you are free to choose then there are some great places. However this seems to be a young sport over here and things are opening up. I have seen more trails open up over here in the two years we have been here. I moved up to Kerikeri in the north. There are not many trails up here but I would not move from here all the same. Life in general is much better than in the UK. We have made far more friends over here and have the time to mix with them. Could be out every night at one BBQ or another in the summer. Oh yes! They do have summer over here unlike the UK. I do not make anything like what I did in the UK but I do not care. We spend less because we are much happier. You do not need retail therapy. The people are great but the main thing to success over here is the fact that it is you that has to adapt not the other way around. Since moving here we have seen a few Brits go back home. They tend to be the ones who discover for some strange reason that this is not the UK. It is vital to make a careful choice of where you live. If your wife is into running then there are some fantastic places to run amongst great countryside. If we were to start from scratch I would probably have chosen somewhere in South Island just because of the mountain biking. However there and more things to life and you could not tear me away from Kerikeri. Very hard to give one reason why. Could be that we now have more land than we could ever have owned in the UK, a swimming pool which I never would have expected, a much better work / life balance, a boss who enforces a positive work life balance, more time to play / socialise, really interesting people to mix with, a general positive attitude (can do), no winter (we really do live in the winterless north), more time to exercise, better environment to bring kids up in and many other points. In terms of the people here they are very different to the UK. You will be talking to someone who seems just a normal person and then as you get to know them more they will inform you of something special they have done in the past which is far from normal. For example walking across China or building an 18 metre boat in their garden. People do amazing stuff over here but do not make a big thing of it. Sorry but to sum up - There are not as many trails, the roads are dangerous unless you choose the time and place (common sense really) with care, you will not have the access of Scotland, you will not have the scale of Canada (been there twice), you will need to adapt rather than expecting it to be like the UK, you need to choose the place you live according to what you want to do. We were originally going to move to Canada but got sick of the time it was taking. Canada is great but the long winter now seems a bit of a downer. I have met a couple (who are now good friends of the family) over here from Canada who would not go back. We have also met quite a few very intense and rather patronising Canadians who insist on getting you to save the world. I am a vegetarian and have always been interested in the environment but they still seem to want to lecture me on what I am doing wrong. Kiwis have a more relaxed outlook and a great sense of humour and they are friendly. As long as you do not say anything bad about the All Blacks. We have not been back to the UK in just over two years and do not really want to. If you want shops, take away food and your job is everything do not move to NZ if you want an outdoors life, interesting friends, time to do stuff or time to do nothing for that matter move to NZ.



That just about sums it up for me 2, only thing i could gripe about is i found the natural trails in the UK (peaks, yorkshire etc) a lot more technically challenging NZ doesent have the large bridalway network linked with all sorts of tracks so you could easily go and ride a differant circular 30-50k route in the peaks eack weekend, if you wanted there are some good spots for riding Vegas, Wanaka, Chc, nelson etc but they are all (mostly) man made. but i still love it here, havent had any close calls on the Rd bike (yet in chch) but dont tend to ride at rush hour and ride lesser used rds.
you can get everything you want here to make life very comfotable + the lifestyle and weather.
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby bigJIMMY on Wed 11/Feb/09 8:18am

you really can't compare NZ to UK.

one is blessed with mountains, lakes and friendly people.
the other is a damp grey shit hole with people that have forgotten how to smile. (try walking down oxford st and see how friendly everyone is)

people move to a totally different beat here and in general are less concerned with the rat race mentality and material wealth.

screw the holiday, just move here. (even though i think there are enough english IT techs here to sink the country :crazy: )

on the property note, it was touched on before but you really must look into it.
if you don't sell your house in england you can re-mortgage it getting the interest rates from england to invest/buy property here.

we own a house in sweden and make use of the 2.9% interest rate to buy property/toys here. yes 2.9% !!!!
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby danose on Wed 11/Feb/09 8:40am

RHR_Rob wrote:That just about sums it up for me 2, only thing i could gripe about is i found the natural trails in the UK (peaks, yorkshire etc) a lot more technically challenging NZ doesent have the large bridalway network linked with all sorts of tracks so you could easily go and ride a differant circular 30-50k route in the peaks eack weekend


you need to talk to zane - there's plenty of 'challenging natural routes' out there on your doorstep, you just have to open you mind (and take a lot of brave pills)

I was up walking on the port hills yesterday with a friend who's over from the UK - he commented that our port hills mtb tracks are much more like the resort/riding centre style mtb tracks than the bridleways - reckons he wouldn't miss the ruts from 4wds, mud holes, horses and dogs at all - would much rather have tracks designed to be fun to ride :thumbsup:
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby RHR_Rob on Wed 11/Feb/09 9:09am

danose wrote:
RHR_Rob wrote:That just about sums it up for me 2, only thing i could gripe about is i found the natural trails in the UK (peaks, yorkshire etc) a lot more technically challenging NZ doesent have the large bridalway network linked with all sorts of tracks so you could easily go and ride a differant circular 30-50k route in the peaks eack weekend


you need to talk to zane - there's plenty of 'challenging natural routes' out there on your doorstep, you just have to open you mind (and take a lot of brave pills)

I was up walking on the port hills yesterday with a friend who's over from the UK - he commented that our port hills mtb tracks are much more like the resort/riding centre style mtb tracks than the bridleways - reckons he wouldn't miss the ruts from 4wds, mud holes, horses and dogs at all - would much rather have tracks designed to be fun to ride :thumbsup:


Riding natural ruts/singletrack/rocky natural trails/mud/wet etc has more apeal than a lot of the groomed trails round the port hills. NZ is a young country in terms of mtb and access the uk, especially scotland has dozens of tracks/bridleways/footpaths established over 100's of years and a more liberale access arrangement.
Dont get me wrong NZ is a great place to ride but so is the UK. maybe family now prevent me getting out and exploring a bit more than i should - so where are all these hidden gems on my doorstep?
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Re: Uk Or Nz? I'll Soon Find Out...

Postby bigJIMMY on Wed 11/Feb/09 9:16am

i rode throughout the uk, with the majority of the trails that i found and were directed to boring and flat.

give me steep dropping trails and lung busting climbs over monotonous switchbacks through flat forest anyday.
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