dhroadie wrote:yes you do. if you're on the move from city to city, or if you own more than one house, or go on holiday or even away for the weekend, you have to be the proactive one and let the authorities know. if they show up and you're away and haven't told them, then it's viewed as "avoiding" testing or "hiding" - and with it comes the inference you're doping.

- and that kind of bullshit from the authorities isn't taking the piss, but my suggestion that the authorities back off a little fucking bit and let cyclists get back to riding their fucking bikes was taking the piss?

Fuck competitive cycling. What a load of crap. I can't believe anyone even bothers anymore

Have you got some solid evidence that we don’t know or something Schlek1? I don’t give a kcuf either way but he’s clean till you have got something solid mate, accusation and speculation don’t do much for the sport either you know

There's no excuse for not being tested - whether it's cos you're out of the country, not convenient, invasion of privacy etc.
The fact is that if your career is as a professional cyclist you should be prepared to be tested at any time. Hell, if I got paid half of what they got paid I'd even pee in a cup in public for them!

dhroadie wrote:yes you do. if you're on the move from city to city, or if you own more than one house, or go on holiday or even away for the weekend, you have to be the proactive one and let the authorities know. if they show up and you're away and haven't told them, then it's viewed as "avoiding" testing or "hiding" - and with it comes the inference you're doping.

Agreed. They are pretty good at finding you. When I was on the NZ Gymnastic team and moving house pretty regularly the NZSDA always managed to track me down. That was with being pretty tardy informing people of where I was.

Goldnugget wrote: Have you got some solid evidence that we don’t know or something Schlek1? I don’t give a kcuf either way but he’s clean till you have got something solid mate, accusation and speculation don’t do much for the sport either you know

If you read my links i provided that shows you evidence. Evidence the Danish Cycling Union has taken seriously enough to ban him for riding for his home country.

Him avoiding testing along with the fact he does bugger all racing then comes out to lead and possbily win the tour de france is solid evidence in my opinion. Then today we see him catch one of the worlds best grand tour riders in a time trial of the tour.( caught a 3 minute gap) Its just all a bit much for me to believe he is doing it on bread and water.

The accusations and speculation that have arisen from this are only the fault of Rasmussen himself for not fronting up for testing when required.

If you ask me the ASO should not have allowed him to participate from when they found this information out from WADA. This is where it gets all legal and technical though.

I just want the winner to be clean. That may be an impossible task these days though and who other than the winner himself would really know.

schlek1 wrote:to lead and possbily win the tour de france is solid evidence in my opinion. Then today we see him catch one of the worlds best grand tour riders in a time trial of the tour.( caught a 3 minute gap) Its just all a bit much for me to believe he is doing it on bread and water.

For seven years Lance Armstrong hardly raced at all... Except for le Tour. Don't tell me you're calling Lance a drug cheat too?

If you had any memory at all, you'd remember that in recent times for every rider who in any TdF finds themself in a position where they may win the event there have been people crawling out from the gutter to allege that they're cheats. Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis both had to deal with unreasonable allegations... Why are the allegations about Rasmussen any different?

I don't like the guy at all. I hope he doesn't win... But I'm still not willing to call him a cheat just 'cos he didn't update the UCI of his location on a daily basis and because some dude from five years ago is harbouring some sour grapes.

I understand the guy missed a couple of random tests in June. But surely for the past week he has had to piss into a jar every day. Until a positive test eventuates, I am going to remain hopeful that he is clean. I think that professional road racing is on the cusp of potential irrepairable damage that it will never ever recover from.
If I never hear another accusation of drug cheating in cycling, it will be too soon.

happybaboon wrote:

schlek1 wrote:to lead and possbily win the tour de france is solid evidence in my opinion. Then today we see him catch one of the worlds best grand tour riders in a time trial of the tour.( caught a 3 minute gap) Its just all a bit much for me to believe he is doing it on bread and water.

For seven years Lance Armstrong hardly raced at all... Except for le Tour. Don't tell me you're calling Lance a drug cheat too?

If you had any memory at all, you'd remember that in recent times for every rider who in any TdF finds themself in a position where they may win the event there have been people crawling out from the gutter to allege that they're cheats. Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis both had to deal with unreasonable allegations... Why are the allegations about Rasmussen any different?

I don't like the guy at all. I hope he doesn't win... But I'm still not willing to call him a cheat just 'cos he didn't update the UCI of his location on a daily basis and because some dude from five years ago is harbouring some sour grapes.

Lance was much different in his approach to racing before the tour. He rode Paris Roubaix, Dauphine Libere and most of the classics before the tour.. His approach was to use those races to help his team mates and to get the training for the tour and peak only for the tour. Ramsussen would not race half as much as Lance.

Synthetic testosteron in your blood is not an unreasonable allegation in relation to the Landis matter.

I actually did like Rasmussen. But now im hearing the full story about his behaviour in avoiding drug testing it brings me to only one conclusion. You need to open your eyes and wake up pal if you really think he is not cheating. Cast aside the allegations from 5 years ago from what we know now there is more than enough evidence for me and many others including the DCU to consider him a cheat. Time will tell. What im saying if he is cheating i hope they get him before and not after he wins the tour or else for 2 years running there will be no official winner of the worlds greatest bike race.

dented wrote: I understand the guy missed a couple of random tests in June. But surely for the past week he has had to piss into a jar every day. Until a positive test eventuates, I am going to remain hopeful that he is clean. I think that professional road racing is on the cusp of potential irrepairable damage that it will never ever recover from.
If I never hear another accusation of drug cheating in cycling, it will be too soon.

Yes he would have been tested every day in the yellow jersey and maybe at random in the early stages. But if he used performance enhancing drugs early on or prior to competiion you get the benefits of them in the recovery and boost in ability but have it out of your system before anyone can detect them. Thats the whole issue. He did not activley allow himself to be tested to the point if he refused once more it would have been considered a positive test.

He's Clean.

happybaboon wrote:

schlek1 wrote:to lead and possbily win the tour de france is solid evidence in my opinion. Then today we see him catch one of the worlds best grand tour riders in a time trial of the tour.( caught a 3 minute gap) Its just all a bit much for me to believe he is doing it on bread and water.

For seven years Lance Armstrong hardly raced at all... Except for le Tour. Don't tell me you're calling Lance a drug cheat too?

And Lance never missed a drug test when asked. Big difference there too.

waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa, he hasn't been caught with tests, he hasn't gone over the limits that the rules state, but fuck it, lets just blame him anyway. While we're at it, lets just blame everyone who we suspect may have used drugs ever. Lets strip them of all their wins and accolades, just cos we think they have done the dirty. Proof, pah!!!!, we don't need no stinking proof

The Danish riders aren't to happy at the current situation. If they dropped Julian Dean from the national team tomorrow due to an administrative issue most punters would be a little cheesed.

I LOOK NOTHING LIKE MICHAEL RASMUSSEN!!!!

SlackBoy wrote: waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa, he hasn't been caught with tests, he hasn't gone over the limits that the rules state, but fuck it, lets just blame him anyway. While we're at it, lets just blame everyone who we suspect may have used drugs ever. Lets strip them of all their wins and accolades, just cos we think they have done the dirty. Proof, pah!!!!, we don't need no stinking proof

Its hard to get proof if some one refuses to particaipate in an out of competition drug test.

By your logic someoe could just refuse to ever take a drug test and would be above suspision for being a drug cheat