John Key...

Smiling idiot
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54%
All-round awesome guy
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Total voters : 91

Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby thorg on Thu 10/Feb/11 7:42am

happybaboon wrote:
nostromo wrote:Hey check this out, ostensibly it's John Key talking about Goffs tax package (fair assasination job, but I'd like to see Goffs response) but check out all the hotties in the press gallery at 1:25. I chose the wrong career.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... _id=116370

Sorry, but whut? The guy who borrows 300 million a week on our behalf so he can give a tax cut to his rich buddies is calling somebody else "fiscally irresponsible"? One can't get much more fiscally irresponsible than Key without being in court alongside the rest of the directors of Bridgecorp....
perhaps he should have said "more" fiscally irresponsible - as Goff is wanting to spend even more money, which he cannot say where it will come from (translation = it either wont happen, or we will be borrowing even more than the 300mil a week the Nats a lumping us with).

They are different sides of the same coin.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby happybaboon on Thu 10/Feb/11 8:04am

thorg wrote:
happybaboon wrote:
nostromo wrote:Hey check this out, ostensibly it's John Key talking about Goffs tax package (fair assasination job, but I'd like to see Goffs response) but check out all the hotties in the press gallery at 1:25. I chose the wrong career.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... _id=116370

Sorry, but whut? The guy who borrows 300 million a week on our behalf so he can give a tax cut to his rich buddies is calling somebody else "fiscally irresponsible"? One can't get much more fiscally irresponsible than Key without being in court alongside the rest of the directors of Bridgecorp....
perhaps he should have said "more" fiscally irresponsible - as Goff is wanting to spend even more money, which he cannot say where it will come from (translation = it either wont happen, or we will be borrowing even more than the 300mil a week the Nats a lumping us with).

They are different sides of the same coin.


Yeah, I know :(
Goff is flapping in the breeze a bit right now... Hope he manages to propose a workable solution soon as to where the money is going to come from - realistically it can only come from one place, taxes on higher earning companies/people. That might be unpopular with 20% of the population, but c'mon, just come out and say it Goff! Propose a solution that'll end the deficit and improve the welfare of the majority of the population and people will vote for you maing. Otherwise step aside and let Andrew Little take over, 'cos he's got a smileyness that'll easily combat Key's.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby thorg on Thu 10/Feb/11 8:11am

Our rich aren't rich enough for the Nats wish list, let alone Goffs folly. The people who ARE rich enough have VERY good tax minimisation practices. Which is why the tiered tax system is pants. Goff needs a new idea, not an old dogma.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby j2hyde on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:09am

The only realistic solution to the deficit issue is the one curretly being implemented. Promote economic growth by lowering taxes, encouraging foregin investment and making the economy more efficent.

Higher taxes and bloated government departments (including SOE's) will just encourage more of what we currenlty have - ie foregin debit.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby Wobbler on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:18am

andrew little :crazy:
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby j2hyde on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:20am

Commie. Babs would vote for him.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby E Dogg Capizzle on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:21am

Mmmmmmm, pedostache.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby Scotty on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:24am

happybaboon wrote:Yeah, I know :(
Goff is flapping in the breeze a bit right now... Hope he manages to propose a workable solution soon as to where the money is going to come from - realistically it can only come from one place, taxes on higher earning companies/people. That might be unpopular with 20% of the population, but c'mon, just come out and say it Goff! Propose a solution that'll end the deficit and improve the welfare of the majority of the population and people will vote for you maing. Otherwise step aside and let Andrew Little take over, 'cos he's got a smileyness that'll easily combat Key's.

Andrew Little?

OMFG...

Way to alienate a lot of your voting base. Dumb fucking choice.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby bugle on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:25am

Some Govt Depts and SOE's actually make money...
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby j2hyde on Thu 10/Feb/11 11:05am

They wouldn't if Andrew Little got in.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby Oli on Thu 10/Feb/11 11:55am

:D
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby Kazmeistyr on Thu 10/Feb/11 8:23pm

Andrew Little is a fuck-knuckle. Militant mofo.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby nostromo on Thu 10/Feb/11 8:40pm

great uncle bulgaria wrote:I just about pissed myself laughing at Bill English's reasoning:
SOE power companies make 15%, but if we sell part of them we can retire some debt that costs us 6% thereby being 9% less efficient use of that money. But that's OK because - prices were rising too fast for consumers - so partly privatising will slow prices rising - in exactly the same way it hasn't done anywhere else . . . . Oh except in telecommunications where it started to after telecom was forced to unbundle the local loop etc.
Or that by partially privatising the efficiency will rise and therefore the equity value of the company will rise and therefore government holding equity - ignoring the fact that net value is tied to profit and isn't going to spectacularly rise, if the prices are dropping and benefiting consumers as he suggested as benefit in his previous reasoning.

Having said that, there are some models of public private partnership that succeed in other countries I believe, but the logic, in this case seems fairly absent . . .

I dont think they are making a 15% return on their value, perhaps as a percentage of profit of their operating costs.
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby great uncle bulgaria on Thu 10/Feb/11 10:44pm

nostromo wrote:
great uncle bulgaria wrote:I just about pissed myself laughing at Bill English's reasoning:
SOE power companies make 15%, but if we sell part of them we can retire some debt that costs us 6% thereby being 9% less efficient use of that money. But that's OK because - prices were rising too fast for consumers - so partly privatising will slow prices rising - in exactly the same way it hasn't done anywhere else . . . . Oh except in telecommunications where it started to after telecom was forced to unbundle the local loop etc.
Or that by partially privatising the efficiency will rise and therefore the equity value of the company will rise and therefore government holding equity - ignoring the fact that net value is tied to profit and isn't going to spectacularly rise, if the prices are dropping and benefiting consumers as he suggested as benefit in his previous reasoning.

Having said that, there are some models of public private partnership that succeed in other countries I believe, but the logic, in this case seems fairly absent . . .

I dont think they are making a 15% return on their value, perhaps as a percentage of profit of their operating costs.


sounds alot doesnt it ?
heres the audio - Bill had that put to him that there was a 9% differential and didn't question the figures at all . . . .
starts about 45 secs.

http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/aud ... s-m048.asx
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Re: John Key: Smiling Idiot?

Postby CrustyMTB on Fri 11/Feb/11 8:30pm

As an example of the high quality of public service restructuring the Nats have already carried out, I have it on accurate authority that the National Library/archives merger which led to 55 redundancies has save $165,000 pa for the next 5 years. Well done.

While we're on about balancing the books why don't we means test the single biggest cost item in the budget (National Super) so my multi-millionaire uncle isn't collecting a taxpayer funded benefit, eh?
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