happybaboon wrote:No. But you do have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Just because someone lectures you at university don't mean they don't have their own agenda/aren't full of crappy opinions.

I get that.

Just thought when someone talks about something that can't be biased there wouldn't be much falsity.

It either did happen, or it didn't.

And Oli, yes, because i'm sick of j2hyde and her retarded conclusions.

I know "falsity" is a real word, but I always reckon it sounds like the opposite of "truthiness"

wuffy wrote:

j2hyde wrote:

wuffy wrote:

Oli wrote:

wuffy wrote:The people are retarded.

Not as much as the US though.

When Russia shotdown that plane in the 80s with one US congressman on board, 83% of the US people voted to Nuke Moscow

Do you mean 83% of the US people who responded to some kind of a mad poll voted to nuke Moscow? As far as I am aware there is no actual facility for them to vote for such a thing otherwise - there's no "Nuke Moscow" option on their voting papers.

It was a Public Survey according to him, trying find it on the net but it's no where to be found.

Thats because it's bullshit. And as you've just demonstrated, people here are just as ignorant and irrational as those in the US, if not more so.

Oh fuck off.

So it's 'ignorant' and 'irrational' to believe something a university lecturer told me during a lecture?

It is to believe that people here are somehow less ignorant and more rational than those in other places - especially a well educated and switched on place like the US. Especially when you then go on to quote obviously ridiculous statistics. If you had half a clue you'd know that more than 17% of the US population don't vote on anything. Let alone vote in favour of really stupid suggestions (nuke moscow). Assuming that such a ballot ever existed, which it didn't, except for perhaps on some fringe tea party type website.

........A teaparty website .......... in the 80s?

j2hyde wrote:Assuming that such a ballot ever existed, which it didn't

And you have proof of this how...?

wuffy wrote:

j2hyde wrote:Assuming that such a ballot ever existed, which it didn't

And you have proof of this how...?

How do you have proof that something does not exist?

That's for you to figure out

I'll listen to the PHD lecturer, you listen to teh internetz

wuffy wrote:That's for you to figure out

I'll listen to the PHD lecturer, you listen to teh internetz

None of us are "listening to the internet(z)", we're relying on our intellectual nous, our general knowledge and our ability to reason that such stupid statements are stupid. You should try it sometime.

To be fair to Wuffy, there were telephone polls and street interview polls in the 1980s. And because they were informal and somewhat unreliable, the results wouldn't necessarily be archived in an easily-retrievable way.

And really, it's not hard to believe, is it, that, at the height of the Cold War, the Americans would want to nuke the Soviet Union for any provocation? Or that the one American life lost would be more important to them than the 268 other people?

It doesn't sound much different to now: they want to bomb Libya, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, etc. Here's a survey from 2007 showing that 52% of Americans wanted to bomb Iran (http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bomb_Iran ... _1030.html), but showing you the website doesn't prove whether it was a statistically reliable survey.

.... in Iraq and Afghanistan, they don't mind "accidentally" killing hundreds of civilians to save a handful of American soldiers' lives. And when cases are exposed of US military personnel deliberately targeting civilians, it's all hushed up. You should look at how few convictions are ever recorded and how light the sentences are for American soldiers and security guards killing civilians.

wuffy wrote:That's for you to figure out

I'll listen to the PHD lecturer, you listen to teh internetz

Just don't listen to Oli - he told me he would still respect me in the morning

fatwombat wrote:Here's a survey from 2007 showing that 52 of Americans wanted to bomb Iran

Only 52? I thought it would be more than that...

What my point is is that there's no way 83% of all Americans "voted" to nuke Moscow. That's just silly.

prove it didn't happen....

wuffy wrote:That's for you to figure out

I'll listen to the PHD lecturer, you listen to teh internetz

64% of PHD lecturers are wrong 42% of the time.

wuffy wrote:I'll listen to the PHD lecturer, you listen to teh internetz

yeah, cos people with PHd's never go the staff club for a liquid lunch then decide to mess with the gullible little first years heads just for laughs

never

ever

honest

New survey of university lecturers shows that 100% of them have been successful at getting wiffy to believe anything they tell him.