Heaps Of Rata For North Face!

Postby Robbie on Tue 7/Sep/10 8:03am

The track is coming together well after an evil wet winter, it seems to be puddle and slime free...
There is still plenty of refining to do- especially in the Valley of Switchbacks, however....

** We do need to plan some Rata or wait until next year.
Getting them growing a year earlier is a very good thing.


So this SUNDAY we will be up there planting as many of these as we can.

One day they will be maginificent trees, on our magnificent track, seen by all of Wellington :love:

We will be leaving the garage area at St Albans Ave at about 9.45, and be at the top from 10.
See you there!! :cool:
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Jim on Tue 7/Sep/10 7:18pm

Do you mean Northen or Southen Rata?
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Simonk on Tue 7/Sep/10 9:25pm

Northern rata, I'm guessing.
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby fatwombat on Tue 7/Sep/10 9:31pm

If this guy is right, I would think they'd have to be southern rata. To plant northern rata, you'd have to climb the biggest trees in Makara Peak MTB Park and plant them where the top branches join the trunk.

RATAS, Northern and Southern
(Metrosideros robusta and M. umbellata). These two ratas are amongst the best known of New Zealand trees because of the profuse crops of red flowers they bear, in good flowering seasons, about Christmas time. They are also the only broad-leaf trees which, together with the conifers like rimu (Dacrydium cupressinum), rise above the general level of the broadleaf canopy. There are a number of other New Zealand ratas, but they are all climbers of varying habits. The coastal tree, pohutukawa, also belongs to the same genus. Metrosideros belongs to the myrtle family which is a very large one, mostly tropical and subtropical, well represented in Australia especially by the genus Eucalyptus. Species of Metrosideros also occur in Australia as well as in Malaya and Polynesia.

The northern rata is found in coastal to lower montane forests from the Three Kings to the northern part of the South Island. It is a remarkable tree in that it starts as an epiphyte in the crowns of tall forest trees, often rimus. Aerial roots then grow down the trunks of the host tree and from these lateral roots are given off which finally encircle the host. The rata continues to grow till roots reach the ground and the rata finally displaces the host altogether. The trunks of large ratas are therefore most irregular, composed as they are of a tangled, fused mass of roots. The southern rata occurs in lowland to subalpine forests from just north of Auckland to the Snares, Auckland, and Campbell Islands. It commences as a ground plant and grows up to 60 ft high, with a large rounded crown. In many forests on steep mountain sides west of the South Island Main Divide, and especially in Fiord–land, it is the dominant tree.

The leaves of both trees are opposite, 1–2 in. long and about elliptic. Those of the northern rata have emarginate tips, while the leaves of the southern rata are sharp pointed. Both have many-flowered cymes of flowers with numerous red stamens. The leaves are relished by opossums. The wood of both trees is very hard and strong. It is highly prized for firewood, but otherwise is not much used because of the difficulty of getting good logs for sawing. In the early days of settlement, southern rata wood was used for shipbuilding. It is now used, when obtainable, for coach work and cross-arms for telephone poles.

by Alec Lindsay Poole, M.SC., B.FOR.SC., F.R.S.N.Z., Director-General of Forests, Wellington.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/ratas- ... southern/1

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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Simonk on Tue 7/Sep/10 9:49pm

Northern rata can be (and usually are) planted in the ground in restoration projects in the North Island. They don't grow quite as tall without a host tree, but still get several metres tall and produce viable seed.

I'm guessing these plants are gifted from the local Forest & Bird nursery (as happened last year). They'll have been grown from locally sourced seed or cuttings. F&B have collected cuttings from the few Northern rata we have in Makara Peak. We've banded a few of them to protect them from possum browsing.

As far as I know, we've never planted Southern rata in the park (as they are not native to this area).
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby jeyboi on Tue 7/Sep/10 10:10pm

:D
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Oli on Tue 7/Sep/10 10:19pm

Simonk wrote:Northern rata can be (and usually are) planted in the ground in restoration projects in the North Island. They don't grow quite as tall without a host tree, but still get several metres tall and produce viable seed.

I'm guessing these plants are gifted from the local Forest & Bird nursery (as happened last year). They'll have been grown from locally sourced seed or cuttings. F&B have collected cuttings from the few Northern rata we have in Makara Peak. We've banded a few of them to protect them from possum browsing.

As far as I know, we've never planted Southern rata in the park (as they are not native to this area).
Ah, what would you know? :D
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Robbie on Tue 7/Sep/10 11:17pm

Everything :sly:
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby its that guy on Tue 7/Sep/10 11:20pm

Robbie wrote:Everything :sly:

ppppffffftttt :rolleyes:
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Robbie on Wed 8/Sep/10 7:32am

SimonK is a guru ;)
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Simonk on Wed 8/Sep/10 7:41am

One extra comment - about a decade ago I planted a tray full of Northern rata 'plugs' (seedlings about the size of your thumb) into the brough of trees along Starfish and Sally Alley/Koru to see how that would work. At first glance, they didn't do very well, possibly 'cos we don't have enough older trees, yet. I don't know. I'm still learning (especially when it comes to conservation).
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Jim on Wed 8/Sep/10 7:50pm

Cheers.
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby rilancaster on Thu 9/Sep/10 3:30pm

Hmmm. Saw some plantings down on the Possum line too when I was down there on Sunday. (5th-September-2010)

Also saw a family of goats (Brown and White) that scurried off in the bushes too... which does not bode well for those new trees. Further up the track there was freshly turned over ground from a pig...

Behind me was John trying not to exhale his Lungs... (Newbie to Possum Line)

Then on the way down from the Summit ... around ?Varleys? There was a small black pig in the middle of the track - Looked pretty tame.. was in no hurry to get out of my way.

So, Is it time time to start carrying Croc Dundee knives while biking... :-)
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Re: Heaps Of Rata On North Face!!

Postby Robbie on Thu 9/Sep/10 4:20pm

If Makara Peak had proper fencing this goat/pig problem would be dramatically less :(

But meanwhile the Council spend literally millions of dollars elsewhere.

But it is worth pursuing for sure !! :)
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Re: Heaps Of Rata For North Face!

Postby fantail on Wed 22/Sep/10 7:29pm

There's a whole bunch of naturally occuring (i.e. not planted) young northern rata over Spoonhill way. On the Spoonhill track there's a couple that look like the "bought ones" that have been planted by the Makara Peak tracks, but most don't look so cutsey which may be why people think they are so rare. In the Hutt they grow with their roots in the ground amongst pole kamahi and also on coastal rock. Just need lots of light.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: North Face will look awesome!
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