Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby SlackBoy on Sun 28/Mar/10 9:47pm

Kirky wrote:Well I saw the crash site. Off camber corner so maybe ride at your level.

That sort of attitude is why 90% of rodies are incredibly slow down hills.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby Spyder on Sun 28/Mar/10 10:12pm

Actually thought that the down hill behaviour (ability) on the Picton-Linkwater section was a lot better this year. Were a couple of guys who weren't that flash on the run down into Havelock though.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby roaringswine on Sun 28/Mar/10 10:25pm

Hard luck on the crash Millsy you were riding really strongly up to that point. Unfortunately for me, I too went down there trying to avoid another rider who was trying to avoid you. For a very brief moment I had a unique perspective of the race as I sailed over my handlebars ;) . By the time I got myself together the lead bunch was disappearing into the distance. I ended up riding demoralised with 2 fellow crashees for about 5 or so km's with a broken seat that was cutting me a new arsehole until a group picked us up and dragged us home. Still managed a 2.37 which was ok all things considered.

84millsy wrote:Talking to a mate who went down and he got 2.33. That means I was on song for a sub 2.30.



I have to take you to task on the sub 2.30 though Millsy as the first 2 placings came from riders who started in the second bunch and they only managed a 2.32. The only way you would have gone sub 2.30 is if you had of put nearly 4 minutes into your bunch of nearly 30 riders on the home stretch. Apparently a group of riders strategically placed themselves in the second starting bunch with the aim of catching the first bunch and riding home with them effectively having a 2 minute advantage at the finish without any of the other riders being wise to it. A good effort on there behalf and not breaking any rules but it highlights what a joke net times are as opposed to gun times. I'm keen to email the organisers to have this changed for next year so that the winner can only come from the first bunch and all off a gun time so you know who you are racing coming up to the finish line. I prefer races to be one at the finish not the start :angry:
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby Spyder on Sun 28/Mar/10 10:57pm

roaringswine wrote:Apparently a group of riders strategically placed themselves in the second starting bunch with the aim of catching the first bunch and riding home with them effectively having a 2 minute advantage at the finish without any of the other riders being wise to it.


That's quite funny. The rush/push to be in the front group was huge. When they first dropped the tape down, I was about 4/5 rows back, by the time everyone had pleaded and crawled under the tape, I was in the front line of Gp2.

Kizmet & all that though, we caught the first ones on Old Renwick Rd (<15min into it) and were picking up the remnants for a lot of the ride, so well done to them for being skilled enough to get in the front bunch ;)
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby roaringswine on Sun 28/Mar/10 11:39pm

Spyder wrote:
roaringswine wrote:Apparently a group of riders strategically placed themselves in the second starting bunch with the aim of catching the first bunch and riding home with them effectively having a 2 minute advantage at the finish without any of the other riders being wise to it.


That's quite funny. The rush/push to be in the front group was huge. When they first dropped the tape down, I was about 4/5 rows back, by the time everyone had pleaded and crawled under the tape, I was in the front line of Gp2.

Kizmet & all that though, we caught the first ones on Old Renwick Rd (<15min into it) and were picking up the remnants for a lot of the ride, so well done to them for being skilled enough to get in the front bunch ;)


Absolutely. It was a great effort by them to achieve what they did and serves our bunch right for letting the pace become a little pedestrian at times. Most people have cottoned on that if you delay crossing the start line by even 20 seconds or so and the catch the riders in front of you then you carry that advantage for the rest of the race and only need to finish close to the front to win. That's sucks for the other competitor who's elated to cross the finish line first only to be relegated to 5th or 6th post race.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby ekim on Mon 29/Mar/10 9:38am

I started in the first bunch but was right at the back just inside the tape, when the gun went a lot of riders near the back were not on their bikes so by the time I got to the main road a gap had formed, a few of us tried to catch the main group but were unable too. I thought that it would slow down ta ther corner before the bridge out of blenheim so went out by myself to try and bridge the gap but was unable to and was left alone for about the next 10km where the group of about 5 or 6 from the second wave caught me. We sat on between 42 and 45km/h all the way to Picton and caught the main bunch at the bottom of the climb before Picton. Unfortunately for me I went to hard at the start in order to catch the main bunch, forgot to drink or eat and suffered later in the race cramping badly on any climb after the 50km mark. Joined into groups that came through but kept getting dropped on the climbs, no matter how small. Managed to get into a large group about 15km out which i stayed with to the end, finishing in 2hr 53min about 6 minutes slower than last year. Dissappointed but learned alot, but on a brighter note I was part of a mixed team and we came first so at least something good happened.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby pm on Mon 29/Mar/10 9:39am

but then it is a fun ride, not a race... go elite if you want a genuine race (smashing)
not that i was complaining when i picked up a 2nd place last year thanks to starting towards the rear of the 1st group and finishing in the middle of it :)

it is a general problem for all rides/races of the sort - same thing happens at taupo. difficult to get into the first group without waiting for an hour, then it may or may not actually be the best place to be... not sure what the solution is
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby nzmatto on Mon 29/Mar/10 10:01am

I think that the Taranaki ride got it right. Everyone gets their own net time, but all awards are on gun time. If you want to be in the money then you'd better get yourself into that front bunch and be there early!!! Although I guess if 400 people all think they can win then the starting group is going to be massive!
Kapiti Cycle Challenge just went for gun start (no net times) and this seemd to work, although at less than 500 riders I guess its not such a challenge. Imagine Taupo letting 10,000 cyclists all off with a bang!!!! that would be messy.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby m-r-h on Mon 29/Mar/10 10:48am

I'll throw a different spin on the day, I rode with my wife who is learning to ride and only been on the bike for a year. Pretty proud she had a go and managed to get round in just over 4 hours.

It was good fun being the water boy for the day and I enjoyed chatting to the other riders. It was great to see people of all different shapes, sizes and levels of fitness having a go. We followed a guy who must have been somewhere near 130+ kgs and he ground it out finishing with a suprising turn of pace, Inspiring stuff, congrats to all the riders :-)
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby salmo trutta on Mon 29/Mar/10 12:09pm

Yeah bummer Millsy. I think that was you in the green Hub top? You did a power of work and were looking good. I agree with Roaringswine though it would be hard to see anyone riding away from the group after the hill as its not too hard home from there and tough to get away. Good effort to haul 92kgs over a hill at speed. What time did you do for le Race? Nice crash Roaringswine didn't know it was you at the time just saw a pair of heels in the air!! Bad luck Millsy next year eh.

How dangerous is that finish? Would be nice if it finished 1k down that side road and then we roll into the vineyard to drink beer and tell stories. Last year I witnessed two nasty crashes in the lead bunch and this year one.

Twenty four of us went up this year and i reckon the Fatboys may get a mention on the annual report of Paddy Barrys pub for beer and bourbon sales. Great night.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby SRC on Mon 29/Mar/10 1:02pm

[quote="salmo trutta"]How dangerous is that finish? Would be nice if it finished 1k down that side road and then we roll into the vineyard to drink beer and tell stories. Last year I witnessed two nasty crashes in the lead bunch and this year one.quote]

I agree! A few straw bails wouldn't go a miss down that driveway if they are going to continue to have the finish down there maybe.

I also like the idea of gun time for the placings, I think it was brought up last year, the pace through the climbs would soon thin out the field.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby salmo trutta on Mon 29/Mar/10 2:26pm

Yip the finish is downright dangerous and you need nerves of steel to contest that one!

I agree gun time for placings in a bike race. Its ridiculous for cyclists to wait at the start stalling for time so they effectively can win the sprint at the start. I suppose it takes some of the risk away from the finish!

I like the way they did it for the F.O.C. where gun times for placings but everybody still got a net time if you started further back.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby 84millsy on Mon 29/Mar/10 3:01pm

Yeah I may have been a little over zealous with the timing, but was totally feeling on song.I'm a lot stronger on the flats than I am through the hills and was expecting a tailwind from Havelock.

As for the comment about 'riding your level', what is that even supposed to mean? I was planning on riding with the speed bunnies but due to not having a current licence I couldn't. Are you saying that if you aren't riding with team kit you should back down and coast the race through?

Well here is my last update.

Got rushed into hospital this morning with surgery in mind. A specialist did another scan and brought me bad news. Turns out my shoulder is floating, i.e no longer attached. My shoulder blade is not attached anywhere, and my collar bone is so badly broken that it is going to require a plate and screws. There is even a piece of bone floating that they couldn't convince me about. I will be under going rehab for at least 3 months and I won't be able to row or kayak again. Cycking may be impaired aswell. Surgery is on wednesday now because they had to order parts. I'm basically fucked. End story.

I hope everyone else involved came out ok. I tried asking around but noone had any news.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby Klarkash-ton on Mon 29/Mar/10 3:07pm

Millsy, I feel some of your pain. Hope things turn out better than it seems at the moment, if often does.

best wishes.
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Re: Grape Ride Results Anybody?

Postby nzmatto on Mon 29/Mar/10 3:10pm

sorry to hear that 84millsy. :( Wish you all the best for a speedy recovery, excellent rehab & lots of pretty nurses!
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