Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby dented on Tue 20/Oct/09 5:04pm

Time for another thread about tubeless tyres.

Have used up my Shwalbe Racing Ralph UST tyres, on my GT Force, and wondering what to replace with. Have been happy with the size (2.25") but they have been really a summer type tyre, and grip has been left wanting on the slippier stuff.

Up to now I have never used a non-UST tyre for tubeless duties, but I know a lot of people have had good success doing just that. So, essentially I quite like the idea of losing a bit of weight running a non UST set-up with goo, but I dont really want to start having tyres with slow leaks all the time, or cut sidewalls (I ride like a bit of a monkey).

So whats the flavour of the season people? UST or not, and what are the brand/type preferences. Mainly ride Vegas, and off to ride QCW at the end of November.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby FSR_Man on Tue 20/Oct/09 5:14pm

I highly rate 2.2 captains , but if you want a little bit more grip Eskars 2.3s are great too.

If you are wanting a nice strong tyre go fo the Control model as they are alot thickeer and stronger than th s works, however the sworks is a lot lighter
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby dented on Tue 20/Oct/09 6:00pm

Im quite keen to try Nobby Nics because I have only heard good things about them, would be keen to hear from anyone who has tried the non-UST version as a tubeless setup, did they seal up ok? Resilient enough?

And any other suggestions also. (thanks for the Specialised recommendation BTW, have tried the Captains in the past, found them a bit meh)
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby musket on Tue 20/Oct/09 6:05pm

The 2.1 Maxxis ADvantage is an absolutely awesome 'vegas tyre, Dents. You'll find them on most of the Nomads etc, and I've found they rock like a bigger tyre, but roll great.

I run eXCeption series advantage on the front, and am running a larsen rear, but occasionally an advantage. I'm keen to try a monorail though, as the back normally follows the front.

The eXCeption series are probably too light, as they do lose a bit of air (sometimes, though I normally use more jizz sealing them the first time, and that seals the walls). The std kevlar is still light, but with a better sidewall. I've only seen two cut sidewalls here in the last two years (between me and the others I know), so it's not a real problem, unlike rockier places.

I've got at least one advantage here you're welcome to try - PM me an address, and I'll post it, or can give it to you when you're over.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby Monolith on Tue 20/Oct/09 6:29pm

dented wrote:Im quite keen to try Nobby Nics because I have only heard good things about them, would be keen to hear from anyone who has tried the non-UST version as a tubeless setup, did they seal up ok? Resilient enough?


I used them all through winter last year tubeless, both 2.1 and 2.25 on the XC bike and 2.4 on the Heckler, all with jizz. No worries for me. They're nice and light, and do seal up fine. Another tyre I've been impressed with is the Conti Mountain King (Pretty sire I rode a 2.3 on PBR's old Turner). Rolls well, tonnes of grip.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby SlackBoy on Tue 20/Oct/09 6:43pm

musket wrote:The 2.1 Maxxis ADvantage is an absolutely awesome 'vegas tyre, Dents. You'll find them on most of the Nomads etc, and I've found they rock like a bigger tyre, but roll great.

I run eXCeption series advantage on the front, and am running a larsen rear, but occasionally an advantage. I'm keen to try a monorail though, as the back normally follows the front.

The eXCeption series are probably too light, as they do lose a bit of air (sometimes, though I normally use more jizz sealing them the first time, and that seals the walls). The std kevlar is still light, but with a better sidewall. I've only seen two cut sidewalls here in the last two years (between me and the others I know), so it's not a real problem, unlike rockier places.

I've got at least one advantage here you're welcome to try - PM me an address, and I'll post it, or can give it to you when you're over.
Not that you likely didn't, but for the masses, when you run an eXCception series maxxis tire tubeless, you DO need to run a few more psi than you would in most others. This is because the sidewall is so thin. You will endup with the same feel as in a std, but less weight, and softer rubber and thus more go and more grip.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby wachtourak on Tue 20/Oct/09 6:56pm

I've been using Kevlar bed Maxxis Ardent's (2.25 wide). Seemingly good grip in the dry or mud, seem to roll pretty good. Haven't burped them or wrecked a sidewall yet, on wellington rocks. Light enough for the size I guess (sub 700g according to the maxxis site anyway) They do lose a bit of pressure over time due to the non-UST thing, even though they are fully sealed (to the degree of no leaks showing with soapy water when mounting them) I have to top them up with air every couple of weeks I guess.

I run 28-30psi and mong into rocks, seem to be holding up OK.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby pushbikerider on Tue 20/Oct/09 7:14pm

I have been running Conti Mountain kings, the 2.4 isn't massive, but they work well IMHO

I've been using the UST version with UST rims
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby dented on Tue 20/Oct/09 7:43pm

All good info thanks chaps.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby phunk on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:00pm

I have the Nobby Nic on the back of the Sanction for winter duties, UST version, would never bother with running a non-UST tyre ever again. Been pretty good but will likely swap it out for a larsen or similar when summer rolls round..
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby A-racer on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:16pm

Standard folding bead tyres set as tubeless are definitly the way to go if you want to lose some weight and gain some speed. I've always found that true Tubeless tyres, with their stiffer sidewalls and casing, tend to 'feel' much slower than standard tyres.

As for a good tyre, Geax have some of the toughest casings around with thier "High performance" folding bead casing. I definitly recommend Geax Saguaro as a tyre for dry summer conditions. Available in 2.2 and 2.0 inch and they are very large volume for their size. :thumbsup:
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby ringo on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:23pm

I'm running Nobby Nic 2.4 non-UST tubeless (Snakeskin) on the front. Like the tyre and works fine, but required a lot of jiggling and reinflating initially over a few days to get the microscopic holes in the thinnish sidewalls to seal up properly. I've also run proper UST (Nevegal, Racing Ralph, Crossmark), and to be honest I like it better - feels like there is more structure to the tyre (due to thicker sidewalls) and doesn't require as much effort to seal. Trouble is they don't make some of the tyres that I would like to try (Maxxis Ardent, for example) in UST.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby Monolith on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:28pm

Dents, you may find tyres like the Nobby Nic and Advantage are a little too aggressive for summer - the taller knobs can make the tyre feel all squirmy like when it's being pushed a bit. IMO rubber compound and casing volume are more important than the tread pattern in most conditions.

This might not help.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby mark2c on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:37pm

Used the UST version of Nobby Nics on my bike for the Karapoti. Sealed up fine and have lasted the distance well with no flats. They seem to stay sharp and grippy longer than UST Nevegals.

Now moved to Geax Seguaro TNTs and have been through a set of Barra Race TNTs as well, though the Barra Race is an XC tyre. All lovely light tyres, but their sidewalls might rip on jagged K rocks. At 24 PSI and greater I have had no problems with burping.
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Re: Good Tubeless Trail Tyre

Postby SlackBoy on Tue 20/Oct/09 8:44pm

Monolith wrote:Dents, you may find tyres like the Nobby Nic and Advantage are a little too aggressive for summer - the taller knobs can make the tyre feel all squirmy like when it's being pushed a bit. IMO rubber compound and casing volume are more important than the tread pattern in most conditions.

This might not help.
This won't help when you start pushing things. The feeling you are most likely getting is cos you run your tires ricockously low in pressure and the grippier tire patterns are actually gripping the trail surface and putting lots of torsion on the tire. Run a fraction more pressure and you wil stop getting this feeling and you will be able to attack a trail faster.
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