Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 33,694 Location: Liberty City
Posted: Sun 17/Sep/06 8:27am Post subject: Real World Examples Of Oil Shortages
Here's a good article which outlines five oil shortages that have taken place in the USA, Cuba and Venezula since the beginning of WW2. It's worth a read as it talks about what has happened rather than fictional possibilities.
There are four concepts that thread their way through all five of these oil shortages.
1. There was plenty of oil in the ground. These oil shortages had nothing to do with world oil reserves or potential production. They happened anyway.
2. All five oil shortages were related, or directly caused, by cultural conflict. A world war. Two regional wars. Cold war isolation. Internal political and labor strife. Above ground factors caused a decline in oil production.
3. All five oil shortages had a chaotic impact on the affected national economies. All had higher rates of inflation. With the exception of WW2, all produced higher rates of unemployment. Real GDP growth was erratic.
4. Government could not avert the economic or cultural impact of an oil shortage. People had to fend for themselves. Solve their own problems. Adjust their own lifestyles. We had to solve our personal transportation problems, find new jobs, scramble for food resources, learn to conserve fuels, improve energy efficiency, and so on. Government regulation and welfare could only provide a minimum of support.
On the other hand, we have to be impressed by the resiliency of the human spirit. In every case, we did adjust, we did innovate, we did take the initiative, and we did survive.
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 2,641 Location: Knockin' on Heaven's Door
Posted: Fri 22/Sep/06 10:02pm Post subject:
Ride-tIll-sunSet wrote:
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
It would also be bloody annoying for people without bikes who wanted to get somewhere quick, or who had big things you couldn't take on cars, or for presidents and stuff with their mint as limos and 10 motorbikes on each side
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 33,694 Location: Liberty City
Posted: Sat 23/Sep/06 12:04pm Post subject:
hedz wrote:
Ride-tIll-sunSet wrote:
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
It would also be bloody annoying for people without bikes who wanted to get somewhere quick, or who had big things you couldn't take on cars, or for presidents and stuff with their mint as limos and 10 motorbikes on each side
In most city centres it's quicker to get places by bike than car. The human race survived for hundreds of thousands of years without driving cars around - I'm sure we can live without them in the centre of cities.
Do any European cities have car bans in their centres?
Joined: Mar 03, 2003 Posts: 5,623 Location: Oldpeoplesville
Posted: Sat 23/Sep/06 3:34pm Post subject:
hedz wrote:
Ride-tIll-sunSet wrote:
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
It would also be bloody annoying for people without bikes who wanted to get somewhere quick, or who had big things you couldn't take on cars, or for presidents and stuff with their mint as limos and 10 motorbikes on each side
So? kcuf them, I find it bloody annoying having to fight for my right just to ride to work without being run away by some soy mocha latte sipping soccer mum who didn't see me because she was talking on her phone while feeding Maccas to her spoilt little tihshead children.
Bogota I know has a car free day when the city is completely closed to private vehicles...not bad for a city of 7 million odd people.
Joined: Mar 24, 2006 Posts: 130 Location: costa del antarctic
Posted: Sun 24/Sep/06 12:53am Post subject:
Ride-tIll-sunSet wrote:
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
Joined: Nov 13, 2005 Posts: 1,719 Location: Thorndon, Wellington
Posted: Sun 24/Sep/06 1:24am Post subject:
Tama wrote:
hedz wrote:
Ride-tIll-sunSet wrote:
Yea it's time we stopped relying on non-renewable resources and started riding our bikes around, for example if cars were banned from centre city and only pubic transport eg buses, pedestrians and bikes were only allowed in the centre of towns. Imagine what that would do to cutting down on car use and making it safer for cyclists and pedestrians
It would also be bloody annoying for people without bikes who wanted to get somewhere quick, or who had big things you couldn't take on cars, or for presidents and stuff with their mint as limos and 10 motorbikes on each side
In most city centres it's quicker to get places by bike than car. The human race survived for hundreds of thousands of years without driving cars around - I'm sure we can live without them in the centre of cities.
Do any European cities have car bans in their centres?
All this would acheive is a huge decline in retail purchases in downtown areas, and more people travelling to suburban shopping centres for their retail needs.
Joined: Jul 13, 2003 Posts: 24,214 Location: The distant future - the year 2000. (Canada)
Posted: Sun 24/Sep/06 3:56am Post subject:
yeah i know but .20 seems bigger than normal - i dunno why its so fluid, and isnt just on a SLOW steady increase... i emphasise slow becase when it goes up .01/L after being the same for 3 weeks its no big deal, but when it goes up .11 over 2 weeks its a bit more (psychologically anyway) painful.
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 33,694 Location: Liberty City
Posted: Sun 24/Sep/06 7:53am Post subject:
Chris_D wrote:
All this would acheive is a huge decline in retail purchases in downtown areas, and more people travelling to suburban shopping centres for their retail needs.
Sounds like a good outcome to me - people can walk to their local shops rather than driving into town, paying $4 a hour for parking, and driving home again.
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 13,175 Location: moving on. . . . and up
Posted: Sun 24/Sep/06 7:58am Post subject:
Tama wrote:
Chris_D wrote:
All this would acheive is a huge decline in retail purchases in downtown areas, and more people travelling to suburban shopping centres for their retail needs.
Sounds like a good outcome to me - people can walk to their local shops rather than driving into town, paying $4 a hour for parking, and driving home again.
though I suspect that most people will still take their cars then all you have is micro congestion in the suberbs
well., here in jaffa town, we've got this wonderful concept of mega centers.., you can drive for 40 minutes out of town, and buy anything you may need from one place..., (basicly a shift to shopping in a way that could never be done without a car).., and the few people who do live near enough to walk have just got 20 times the traffic driving past their door. then there's malls/subdivisions designed in such a way that the people near enough to walk would need to cross a 4 lane road to do so....m, mumble grumble..,
it's a bit hypocritical, of me to say this, but if you've got a local butcher, bakery, superette/etc, please use them.., it won't be much more expensive once you allow for petrol, and you'll be supporting the little guy, keeping him there for 10 years time when you can't afford to drive to the supermarket.
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then all you have is micro congestion in the suberbs 
