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New Zealand again did well, but can we save the tax payer money by only sending those who truly believe they are a medal prospect? If you don't think you can win a medal then you should not be there, we don't need to waste money taking people for practice or to fill the numbers.
How many of our athletes got a personal best at the games?
If they did a PB and someone else was better on the day, so be it.
And as for "waste money taking people for practice", ha!
How do people get international competition experience then?
A bit of swim run bike at the beach with a couple of Belgian backpackers?
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Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 3:32pm Post subject:
Someones probably already written it there (I can't be esrad looking), but the likes of why Australia etc, and especially Australia are so much better than is, it's not cos of the bigger population, or the bigger economy, or the better institute of sport they have (ok, well partly it is, but that's not the point I'm making here) it's because over here we have this attitude that it's OK to 'do your best' and that 'personal bests are better than medals'...yeah, maybe when you're 5 years old. In Australia if you lose you have the tihs ripped out of you by the media etc. If that happened here I'm sure our athletes wouldn't be so keen to lose. They only focus on winners. We seem to heap praise on heaps of people who miss out on medals saying 'it's ok, they did their best, they set a pb' who gives a tihs really. And who gives a tihs about silver and bronze. You don't 'win' the minor medals, you 'get' them, but the way they get praised you'd expect they won a world championship. If that's not encouragement to be mediocre, then I dunno what is. In Australia apparently in their media they get shunned if they don't win gold. I think that's what we need.
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Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 3:33pm Post subject:
Well i disagree with you that guy you quoted coyote because its not all about the performance for some people its the experience of racing at a world class level and i admirer people that give it there best but dont get anywhere at least they gave it ago, as they have worked hard for it. And how else are you meant to compare yourself againest people around the world.
If you are saying that coyote why dont we sparc 80% of the New Zealand Mountain bike team that are going to Rotorua in August. Its all tax payers money.
Someones probably already written it there (I can't be esrad looking), but the likes of why Australia etc, and especially Australia are so much better than is, it's not cos of the bigger population, or the bigger economy, or the better institute of sport they have (ok, well partly it is, but that's not the point I'm making here) it's because over here we have this attitude that it's OK to 'do your best' and that 'personal bests are better than medals'...yeah, maybe when you're 5 years old. In Australia if you lose you have the tihs ripped out of you by the media etc. If that happened here I'm sure our athletes wouldn't be so keen to lose. They only focus on winners. We seem to heap praise on heaps of people who miss out on medals saying 'it's ok, they did their best, they set a pb' who gives a tihs really. And who gives a tihs about silver and bronze. You don't 'win' the minor medals, you 'get' them, but the way they get praised you'd expect they won a world championship. If that's not encouragement to be mediocre, then I dunno what is. In Australia apparently in their media they get shunned if they don't win gold. I think that's what we need.
Well thats bulltihs too, cos NZ athletes do get the tihs ripped out of them by the media(see stuff story above!), but its in a really negative way.
Th Aussie media seem to focus more on how the atheletes could get better than "Ohh they're just tihs! What a waste of money blah blah blah".
Joined: Dec 09, 2002 Posts: 32,257 Location: Licking my wounds, in these forgotten tombs
Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 3:41pm Post subject:
Yeah but the 'personal bests are better than winning attitude is a crock'
And I dunno, I've seen straight up negative stuff on the front pages of aussie papers when the cricket team loses.
I blame the PC parc at schools, the whole 'taking part is better than winning' thing thats been going down since when I was at primary school and probably before that
Well i disagree with you that guy you quoted coyote because its not all about the performance for some people its the experience of racing at a world class level and i admirer people that give it there best but dont get anywhere at least they gave it ago, as they have worked hard for it. And how else are you meant to compare yourself againest people around the world.
If you are saying that coyote why dont we sparc 80% of the New Zealand Mountain bike team that are going to Rotorua in August. Its all tax payers money.
I know what you mean.
I said, "I like this one". Not, "I agree with this one".
Yeah but the 'personal bests are better than winning attitude is a crock'
And I dunno, I've seen straight up negative stuff on the front pages of aussie papers when the cricket team loses.
I blame the PC parc at schools, the whole 'taking part is better than winning' thing thats been going down since when I was at primary school and probably before that
It's fostering non-competitiveness
Not really, after all if you dont win on the day, and you've gone faster than ever before, what more can you do? Cheat?
You cant win every time, hell even the damn Aussies cant!(thank kcuf for that too!)
I do agree with the "taking part is better than winning" thing being a crock though, there has to be a point sometime where you teach kids how to win, what age that is I dont know, but certainly before high school! It cant be easy doing that without putting them off competing at all though.
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 18,130 Location: Showing my tan lines
Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 3:51pm Post subject:
Horse tihs, Aussie have been pumping money into their atheletes for years aand years. They have the infrastructure already setup. NZ hasn't been poring money in for years. they have only just started to do that in the last few years. The infrastructure needed setting up, and it also takes time for these to start producing results. We spent 24 million on games atheletes, aussie spent 10 times that. I bet India have been spending up massivley large as well. We just simply have not been spending the money long enuff . but like Rachael hunters shampoo ad said, it won't happen overnight, but it will happen
Horse tihs, Aussie have been pumping money into their atheletes for years aand years. They have the infrastructure already setup. NZ hasn't been poring money in for years. they have only just started to do that in the last few years. The infrastructure needed setting up, and it also takes time for these to start producing results. We spent 24 million on games atheletes, aussie spent 10 times that. I bet India have been spending up massivley large as well. We just simply have not been spending the money long enuff . but like Rachael hunters shampoo ad said, it won't happen overnight, but it will happen
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,882 Location: Derailled
Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 4:09pm Post subject:
SlackBoy wrote:
Horse tihs, Aussie have been pumping money into their atheletes for years aand years. They have the infrastructure already setup. NZ hasn't been poring money in for years. they have only just started to do that in the last few years. The infrastructure needed setting up, and it also takes time for these to start producing results. We spent 24 million on games atheletes, aussie spent 10 times that. I bet India have been spending up massivley large as well. We just simply have not been spending the money long enuff . but like Rachael hunters shampoo ad said, it won't happen overnight, but it will happen
Most of indias spending was on sex changes by the look of their discuss biffers!
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 18,130 Location: Showing my tan lines
Posted: Wed 29/Mar/06 4:37pm Post subject:
_jb_ wrote:
SlackBoy wrote:
Horse tihs, Aussie have been pumping money into their atheletes for years aand years. They have the infrastructure already setup. NZ hasn't been poring money in for years. they have only just started to do that in the last few years. The infrastructure needed setting up, and it also takes time for these to start producing results. We spent 24 million on games atheletes, aussie spent 10 times that. I bet India have been spending up massivley large as well. We just simply have not been spending the money long enuff . but like Rachael hunters shampoo ad said, it won't happen overnight, but it will happen
Most of indias spending was on sex changes by the look of their discuss biffers!
and cream donuts for their gold Winning weight lifter
The Australian Institute of Sport was setup after a huge outcry a while back when Australia ( following the US of A) boycotted the Moscow olympics.
Lots of money was pumped into it (so the government would not loose the next election). Since then , politicians ahve learned that sports heroes are good for votes, so it keeps humming along.
However there is no doubt in my mind, that most New Zealanders are far more protective of their country and local area than most Australians, and are generally far less likely to have an international viewpoint. I think this is a natural effect of most Aussies living in very large, impersonal cities.
The infrastructure in schools, coaching or sporting organisations might have a slightly less single-minded focus than in Australia, I don't really know, but I would be suprised if top level athletes had anything but a killer instinct to do the things they need to get to international level.
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