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Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,395 Location: Poundland
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 1:01pm Post subject: Shermans versus Dirtjumpers
OK - I'm building up a fully, yes a fully - (about 4" on the back) for shuttling. I'm trying to suss out what fork to use - I've come down to DJ2s versus Sherman Flicks...
...both are overbuilt versions of forks I already like (Blacks and Bombers) and both aren't mind-buggeringly expensive.
I'm interested by what people think (I'm holding off going on www.mtbr.com because the reviews generally irritate me.)
The Shermans sound good on paper,but Ive heard of people having trouble with parcpy plastic knobs and internal bits,also are they an oil bath or still grease for lube??
Personally Id go for the Bombers,but thats just me!!
i'm not totally up on the latest gizmos but this I have heard:
2003 Dirtjumpers seem to have been cryofit clamped not so good. Seen a number used for recreational DH that have had steerer tubes or staunchions come loose down here in Chch.
Shermans, apparently the seals blow pretty easy.
2000 Jr t: 5 inch triple...mmmmmmm I reckon they would be the go for a short travel shuttling bike.
What sort of frame you using? I still have a 4.5" FSR hanging in my shed and i found that that 4.5" is a bit short on travel, even with a firm spring. Now a DMR Trailstar LT you won't bottom that out and you won't break the bloody thing
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,882 Location: Derailled
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 1:21pm Post subject:
You want some Judy 100's you do! mine may have worn bushes and seals and no oil left, but they still rock and take 4-5 foot drops to flat with ease, go the old school
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,395 Location: Poundland
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 1:25pm Post subject:
Fluff wrote:
What sort of frame you using? I still have a 4.5" FSR hanging in my shed and i found that that 4.5" is a bit short on travel, even with a firm spring. Now a DMR Trailstar LT you won't bottom that out and you won't break the bloody thing
I'd also be keen on pre-2000 Z1 Bombers - before they did that silly integrated brace.
The frame is a prototype - I'll stick some photos up soon - design-wise it's a strange 'un. We're guessing 4" and I'm not to fussed, originally I was going to build up a small, munty HT for shuttling - but what could be more fun than testing a prototype?
Or EVEN better Jeremy are my technologically advanced RST Hi 5's!
Mate.... they don't bottom on 5 - ft drops and phang a bit of oil in the air dampening channel and weheyyyy much better damping. .....Did I mention there is no need to change oil and seals...The lazy man fork that works pretty good like!
Funnily enough when it gets really cold the elastomers just don't compress so good.......
Yeah the older braces appear to be much stronger. I have heard of alot of the 'mag arch braces' snapping. Also more people seem to be snapping 5 inch single crown staunchions. I reckon if you go over 4 inch get a triple and stronger braces are all good.
Joined: Apr 07, 2003 Posts: 2,476 Location: Queenstown and Dorkland
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 1:35pm Post subject:
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tama wrote:
The frame is a prototype - I'll stick some photos up soon - design-wise it's a strange 'un. We're guessing 4" and I'm not to fussed, originally I was going to build up a small, munty HT for shuttling - but what could be more fun than testing a prototype?
This isnt lauren Campbells Rocky Mountain prototype is it?
Please Mr Tama oh godly one what is it? The Sherman would definitely be a better fork for a bit of Shuttling. They have wet bushes these days with a bit of oil floating around in the leg and Evil Genius seals up top. The valving in Manitou forks is pretty cool if only htey could make the forks full oil bath but still seperate the damping oil from the lubricating oil. The DJs tend to be valved for bighits (well duh Dirtjumping) and arent actually that nice on Shuttles ie a bit spikey kinda like the old JrTs and new Boxxer races. Considered a set of VanillaR125s? they can be picked up online for relatively cheap these days.
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,395 Location: Poundland
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 2:08pm Post subject:
OK - some utterly useless hints:
* The prototype is totally un-named
* It was made in Taiwan
* It's a mutation of the 4 bar linkage
* It runs a Horst link
* The welding on the front triangle is quite crisp
* The nylon bushes aren't
* There's a slight bow in the top tube
* The air shock has to go
* If I ever bottom it out the rear swingarm will cane the top of the seat tube.
* Part of the deal is that I can't say who I got it from.
It is very much a prototype - but with some bearings, and a proper shock I reckon it'll go alright. As I said, will stick up a photo or two tonight.
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 666 Location: Gimp Box
Posted: Fri 6/Jun/03 2:30pm Post subject:
the secret is OUT
Tama is a test rider for Team Gimp Cycles
He is riding an early proto-type of our urban/shuttling frame, which is code named "Hampster-Baiter". The development proto-type from the feedback he provides will be called the "Trouser-Ferret". The release version of the frame will be called...... well, that would be telling.
Feedback time - what colour would you prefer for a Gimptastic urban/shuttling frame, "Septic Puss Yellow" or "Blender Accident Red"?
As for anyone else that would like to be a tester for Team Gimp, be warned the initiation process Tama endured left him off work and unable to talk due to inflamation for two days....
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