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Perhaps, but at the end of the day I just preferred riding clipped in. To assume that everyone should be riding flats and 5.10s is just stupid. People have to try different things to find what works best for them.
I'm honestly surprised you tried them and you didn't get along with them.
Most people start people start riding mountain bikes on flats. They discover clips, and they think they're evil, but they persist until Eureka! No more feet sleeping off the pedals! I remember that moment, and it was awesome.
For technical riding there's a limitation to riding clips. Unless you're incredibly ballsy, hitting steep technical sections fast on clips is going to be scary for the simple reason that clipping out takes some time. I'm sure most riders have it dialled in instinctively, but even still twisting your foot to release from the pedal is slow. I got to the point where I wouldn't try new technical stuff because I was too scared of not being about to clip out in the event of needing to, and my riding progression stagnated.
FiveTens offer the best of both worlds in my opinion. Sorry if I'm a bit evangelical about this, but I hit a second Eureka moment when discovering FiveTens. My riding has improved massively. Being able to dab a foot to rescue myself from potentially collar breaking clipped in moments makes me grin.
Just in the same way you probably persuaded all your mountain biking buddies to move to clips shortly after you did, I'm trying to get everyone to discover what I have.
Do you still have those 5.10s. Maybe try them on again?
Joined: Mar 22, 2007 Posts: 3,437 Location: wellies
Posted: Wed 26/Nov/08 12:59am Post subject:
RadiusQ, what part of it being a personal choice don't you understand? Rider Man Cam was asking for info about clip pedals, not info on 5.10s. Not everyone has to agree with you (personally I think your inability to clip out when you need to is laughable and you never really learned to ride with SPDs properly if that's the case. Once you're sweet with them you don't even think about it, and that's nothing to do with being 'ballsy', I freely admit to having no balls, being a girl n all.). And before you do a rant at me to go try my five tens, I've riden in them heaps, I still prefer clips, that's personal preference.
Fact is there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and these differences suit some riders more than others. One of the big UK MTB magazines did a really good article a while ago where they got two top riders who are dedicated flats vs spd types to swap pedals & shoes for a week, and looked at how it changed their riding (changes were significant both ways). So I believe you that it improved your riding, flats must suit you well, good for you. But other people are different.
I still think, the best thing Rider_Man_Cam can do is get good at both and work out what is best for his own strengths and weaknesses. This thread was about him finding out about clips for DH, remember, not yet another flats vs spds battle [/b]
RadiusQ, what part of it being a personal choice don't you understand? Rider Man Cam was asking for info about clip pedals, not info on 5.10s. Not everyone has to agree with you (personally I think your inability to clip out when you need to is laughable and you never really learned to ride with SPDs properly if that's the case. Once you're sweet with them you don't even think about it, and that's nothing to do with being 'ballsy', I freely admit to having no balls, being a girl n all.). And before you do a rant at me to go try my five tens, I've riden in them heaps, I still prefer clips, that's personal preference.
Fact is there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and these differences suit some riders more than others. One of the big UK MTB magazines did a really good article a while ago where they got two top riders who are dedicated flats vs spd types to swap pedals & shoes for a week, and looked at how it changed their riding (changes were significant both ways). So I believe you that it improved your riding, flats must suit you well, good for you. But other people are different.
I still think, the best thing Rider_Man_Cam can do is get good at both and work out what is best for his own strengths and weaknesses. This thread was about him finding out about clips for DH, remember, not yet another flats vs spds battle [/b]
Heh. You make it sound like I'm trying to bully people into going with flats. Until I am King, I'll just have to accept, and I have, that some people may want to wear lycra and ride clips. The advice I was offering was based on personal experience. Perhaps the tone was a bit authorative , but if only one person reading goes out and tries on a pair of FiveTens then it was a worthwhile post:) The point I was making is that the fear of crashing whilst clip'd in stopped me from progressing. I'm sure I'm not alone. It's worth noting that I'm primarily talking about non competitive trail riding - generally having fun on a bike..
For the record, I did get quite comfortable with clips BTW, I guess I was riding single black downhill runs quite comfortably clip'd in (on a 4" trail bike). I was not doing big jumps, drops or rock gardens - which only came later when I ditched the clips. Clipping out is always going to be slower than stepping off the pedals, and that difference was big enough to stop me progressing. At the end of the day, if you're utterly confident, you'll never even need to consider clipping out, as your feet will always be on the pedals anyway - ala Peaty, Minaar and friends. I don't ride with that level of confidence in flats. I need to be able to dab a foot here and there when I get things wrong. It's a safety valve and I use it all the time when I'm pushing myself.
Of course clips have their place, but honestly I think that learning to ride downhill in clips is a bad idea for several reasons. Firstly, it won't force good bike control in rough sections - i.e. you can bounce around on the pedals without being bucked off. Secondly, there is likely a greater chance of injury crashing whilst clipped in. I'd also add not being able to dab a foot down to rescue yourself in those high speed moments as another reason not to go with clips. Later on with technique dialled, the additional power available from clips could be useful, although young Mr Hill seems to cope without it.
I'd be curious to read that article. I've not a racer, and I never learnt how to spin the pedals properly. So in fairness, I've probably never benefited from a one key aspect of why a lot of riders ride clips - that they're faster with them. If I could feel a power difference, then maybe I wouldn't brush them aside so easily. For trail riders who only wear clips to keep their feet in contact with the pedals, then I'd say there's a better way.
Joined: Nov 21, 2005 Posts: 13,534 Location: doing a skid
Posted: Wed 26/Nov/08 7:06am Post subject:
big_daddy_jj wrote:
how expensive are 5 10's? i went into kathmandu and bought a soft compound soled shoe for $110, then went to the local engineering supplier and bought 50 15mm long grub screws for my pedals. Honestly feels like im clipped in ever time
Joined: Jan 31, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Christchurch
Posted: Wed 26/Nov/08 7:29am Post subject:
I ride DH with the Crank Bros Mallets (http://www.crankbrothers.com/mallet.php) and find these awesome - solid platform that lets you ride without clipping in (if required) and with a smooth clip in/out action. I started off with the Shimano SPD and after moving to these won't go back. I run the Brank Bros Candy pedal on my XC bike so can use the same shoes.
Joined: Nov 13, 2005 Posts: 5,784 Location: Skyway
Posted: Wed 26/Nov/08 8:12am Post subject:
Ive been running flats and 5/10s on one of my bikes. Moving your feet is a hctib and you have to pull your foot off the pedal to move it. But they do grip very well. The biggest problem I see is that 5/10s are very heavy shoes and when you think how many times in a ride you lift em you will see my point. For DH they are great, for XC not so much.
Shimano pedals work ok (apart from the 858ssss) but they give me sore feet, even the 647s do this. My mallets dont. Had my mallets for 2 years and they are mint. Im about to try some Acids.....
Joined: Mar 22, 2008 Posts: 640 Location: Crashing on a perfectly groomed trail near you .ChCh
Posted: Wed 26/Nov/08 9:01am Post subject:
Spokes wrote:
Ive been running flats and 5/10s on one of my bikes. Moving your feet is a hctib and you have to pull your foot off the pedal to move it. But they do grip very well. The biggest problem I see is that 5/10s are very heavy shoes and when you think how many times in a ride you lift em you will see my point. For DH they are great, for XC not so much.
Shimano pedals work ok (apart from the 858ssss) but they give me sore feet, even the 647s do this. My mallets dont. Had my mallets for 2 years and they are mint. Im about to try some Acids.....
Hmmmm - not sure if I should mention this BUT I got some alcheapo velcro shoes from the erohwHouse ( very soft soles ) , got some longer grub screws for my flats and ride with this set up most of the time. Shoes weigh next to nothing, grip like crazy on the studs and now my technique is better dialed I don't slip. Personal preference - work out what works for you, but give yourself time to do so.
Oh yeah - and the pro's alternate between both so what does that tell you
sweet. thanks for the comments, was exactly what I was looking for. I think Ill try my clips off my xc bike for a couple of runs. I also think if I fall off a bit while using them it might train me to take a few more risks especially through slow techy turns etc. My mate had cb mallets and was just trail riding one weekend and unclipped to find the body of the pedal was still attached to his shoe...
Ive been running flats and 5/10s on one of my bikes. Moving your feet is a hctib and you have to pull your foot off the pedal to move it. But they do grip very well. The biggest problem I see is that 5/10s are very heavy shoes and when you think how many times in a ride you lift em you will see my point. For DH they are great, for XC not so much.
I honestly have no problem repositioning my feet. I think the way I do it is to rotate my foot around each point of contact (the pins). Usually it takes maybe one or two quick shuffles to get my feet in the position where I want them. I figure this probably takes a quarter of a pedal stroke at most. Pedal choice is a likely factor. V12s only have pins on the perimeter of the pedal making these quick little rotations easier to perform. My Funn Soljams require much more effort to perform the twists as I guess it is more tricky to isolate the contact point to a single pin or two. I know some people remove pins from the pedals precisely for this reason.
sweet. thanks for the comments, was exactly what I was looking for. I think Ill try my clips off my xc bike for a couple of runs. I also think if I fall off a bit while using them it might train me to take a few more risks especially through slow techy turns etc. My mate had cb mallets and was just trail riding one weekend and unclipped to find the body of the pedal was still attached to his shoe...
Wellgo make a platform with removable SPD clips in the body.
When I first got clips I thought I would hurt myself more when I crashed but generally that is a myth. In low speed falls they keep your feet on the pedals and stop you bruising up your legs. In high speed crashes they usually release smoothly and let you go flying into the bushes as you do with flats. Just make sure you have them adjusted to your liking, I have mine lose enough so that I can rip my feet straight out vertically if I have to dab but mine still manage to be tight enough so that I have never had any unwanted unclipping.
Mine are Shimano SPD's and I never get sore feet when combined with my specialized mtb shoes.
You should not get sore feet if your shoes are adequately stiff enough to disperse the load, no matter what the pedal.
If you get sore feet you must be wearing a flexy as shoe that probably doesn't help with pedaling or control.
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