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John, I am coaching Michael Vink, and he was whom I was referring to about pathways to establish a possible pro career. I would suggest that every rider who makes a national Training Camp is well aware of what is or is not allowable, and if they arent sure, they will be made aware of where to check. it is a madatory topic in any camp as set out by SPARC and the NZ Academy of Sport.
Petaachi...please..you are really showing your naievity now. If he had a Theraputic Use Exemption for Sal Butemol..he would know EXACTLY the doses he is or isnt allowed!! We deal with this stuff at EVERY international competition!! He is a professional athlete..it is his business to know what he is allowed. He would need more than a puffer for the doses that he Was alleged to have taken..more like a nebuliser!!
Well, it certainly sounds like things have improved a lot since the bad old days, which is great.
Of course Sarah Ulmer is an example at one of the extreme - she's very smart and her dad's a pharmacist - chances of her making a mistake is less than zero.
But some riders are naive. Here's a true story from the week leading into the '91 MTB Worlds.
I crash badly in a race in Italy and get carted off to the local hospital. (the ambulance ride was hilarious). Anyway, I don't speak Italian. The doctor doesn't speak much English. She patches me up as best she can and gives me two injections (one in the main wound; one in the esra). I ask what they are for and am 75% sure it's a painkiller and a tetanus shot. Not 100% sure though.
If I'd tested positive at the Worlds the following week, would a life ban (or even a 4 yr ban) have been reasonable. If I'd protested my innocence, how many of you would have called for a lynching anyway?
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Posted: Fri 17/Oct/08 6:38pm Post subject:
gydey wrote:
Pukeko..thats just a sad indictment that you and others even consider 2 competitions...there should be nothing for cheats.
The analogy about 100m sprinters doesnt stack up mate...at the World Atletic Championships..how many competitors in the past 5 years have gone positive at each of these meetings?? Now look at TDF...every fu8ken year mate.
Stop making excuses!!
I'm not suggesting 2 competitions, I'm suggesting 2 ways of dealing with the problem, I personally would give them a lifetime ban instead of a slap over the wrist with a wet bus ticket like they get now.
Unfortunately however the sad reality is that the cheats are often 1 step ahead of the testers so there will always be someone trying it on and unfortunately getting away with it.
Don't get me wrong though I'm not suggesting in any way that we turn a blind eye to it.
Hit them hard and don't let them back.
Simon, I can assure you in this day and age that would never occur. If you were representing NZ and had medical issues at a competition, you would have a manager or soigneur looking after you, overseeing what is carried out, and ensuring that you didnt take anything.
I accept that back then this could have occurred, but given the investment in NZ Olympic Sports, I am sure that this situation would not and could not arise.
I have had my say... and everyone knows my thoughts...
The weapon - Antohny Peden's example sits somewhere in the middle of Simon's extremes.
Goes to sharpen in Europe before Athens, gets a prescription from here/ aussie renewed, same drug (a painkiller for his mangled back) and low and behold the drug of the ame name there has a few extra ingredients... a legal drug here, illegal in it's form over there. So he has to pull out after becoming aware.
He should have had the prescribing Dr over in Europe check with WADA (a phone call away) but didn't - so while it's his fault, it's very different to outright cheating.
Turns out this is incorrect - see below
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Musket, its a bloody shame that people who know half a story can write that on a forum. I was with Peden in Bordeaux and it was nothing like you stated!!
The FACTS are he took a prescribed drug that he had a TUE for, however he ws training in Butgen and the German doctor administered it incorrectly. He was supposed to do a intramuscular injection, but put it through like a lumbar punch. This form of administration was illegal.
Peden told the testers who had come to the Bordeaux training camp of this, believing that it was ok, however, it was BikeNZ who parcped themselves and pulled Peden out, even though when it was administered it was out of competition, and as such it was actually ok to do this procedure!!
So..no illegal drugs..no extras...just purely wrong administration out of comp and BikeNZ and NZDA believing that he would be positive..even when this was impossible as he had a UCI TUE!!
I'm happy to cop that if it's true - the extent of my knowledge of that incident was what was on the TV news at the time Gydey. Thanks for shedding some light on it - it's something I've wondered about.
John, I am coaching Michael Vink, and he was whom I was referring to about pathways to establish a possible pro career. I would suggest that every rider who makes a national Training Camp is well aware of what is or is not allowable, and if they arent sure, they will be made aware of where to check. it is a madatory topic in any camp as set out by SPARC and the NZ Academy of Sport.
Petaachi...please..you are really showing your naievity now. If he had a Theraputic Use Exemption for Sal Butemol..he would know EXACTLY the doses he is or isnt allowed!! We deal with this stuff at EVERY international competition!! He is a professional athlete..it is his business to know what he is allowed. He would need more than a puffer for the doses that he Was alleged to have taken..more like a nebuliser!!
I reckon that's a unique one - Salbutemol is a drug that can be the difference between life or death for some of the people that rely on it, and under some circumstances such as having an attack which is very distressing you can easily overdo things.
Pettachi was 30% over the limit, whereas Piepoli was 80% over during the same Giro and got let off cos he was from Monaco, and we know about his not so therauputic use of CERA now.
Pukeko..thats just a sad indictment that you and others even consider 2 competitions...there should be nothing for cheats.
The analogy about 100m sprinters doesnt stack up mate...at the World Atletic Championships..how many competitors in the past 5 years have gone positive at each of these meetings?? Now look at TDF...every fu8ken year mate.
Stop making excuses!!
Aye, but how many 100m runners compete at World Champs? 30, max?
180-odd in a Grand Tour peloton...
Also look at Millar. kcufed up, now is setting a great example in the sport.
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