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bigjimsty
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| Crashed wrote: | | Thanks for the input guys i will start hitting the hills on the old bike in the big chain ring |
Careful not to knacker your knees up though 
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jamieinauckland
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| Posted: Sat 19th Jul 9:29am Post subject: |
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Training With Extra Weight?
do you mean with more emphasis?
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psychavoc
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| Posted: Sat 19th Jul 9:30am Post subject: RE: Training With Extra Weight? |
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Pretty sure he meant "weight" in the literal sense 
| Crashed wrote: | | would it help if i trained with extra weight, dive belt with 10kg on it then race lite? |
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Malcy
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| Posted: Sat 19th Jul 11:48am Post subject: |
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Try training with my belly.
Please, honest, someone take it off me!! PLEASE!!
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Ahad
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| Posted: Sat 19th Jul 1:05pm Post subject: |
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Ha ha! Love your Avatar Onnog! Welcome back to the land of the living btw! 
I read a bit about this on cyclingnews. Basically riding a heavier bike or with weights, just means you'll just end up riding in an easier gear up hill etc, and won't produce any real benefit.
Although you may feel really fast.
The only possible, but pretty miniscule benefit I can see, is that your 100k training ride may take 10minutes longer. So you may be ever so slightly fitter.
Although you could always just ride your light bike for 10 or 30minutes longer instead
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Fergie
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| Posted: Sat 19th Jul 5:32pm Post subject: |
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| SamultheCamul wrote: | | I love the feeling of changing from my 2.2kg training wheels wtih stelvio plus tyres to my 1.2kg Reynolds carbon wheels... that is all |
If doing overstrength or overspeed training I work on 10% over or under. So a 1kg drop in wheels is a good example. Big gear work one sprocket over race gear or cadence work one sprocket under.
Also have to take care with this. As a kid I worked at Trisports for a summer saving up for a superlight set of track wheels. In my 500m TT the wheel skipped all over the track as I wasn't used to riding such a light wheel. This is why top track teams use all the gear leading into the big event. No suprises on the big day.
Take care doing big gear on hills. A sudden change in gradient means the cadence can drop very low which is very stressful on knees and lower back. Best done on an erg or windtrainer with good resistance (Taxc Satori is really good).
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notanotherhill
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i can give some insite to this for you . as a ex road and track rider and nz road champ and track and with several home titles to my name.
training with weight is not good reason being it will tend to make you ride your bike odd and give you bad habits. if you realy wan to work hard to improve on your riding at race day the real secret is HOURS on the bike. also during these hours adverage for me was 4 to 9 a day including 3 hill seasions a week . the best training i could give advise on is the more hours you ride the better you will get also sprint training between lampposts i.e srpint hard out for 3 lamps then rest for 3 then sprint again do this till your stuffed and then have another go. training is and always will be a hard one to work out fully but for me hours on the bike with plenty of hill work and lamp post sprinting was the key. but i was doing serious hours on the bike sun tues and thursdays was about 200 kms a day and then 100kms inbetween there doing hills and sprints. also remember what you eat i might get shut down here by some but i never went for all the pasta trick i had normal meals with all the gravy etc . but remember all training and no play will give you the reverse effect you might as well stay home
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Nick_K
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| Posted: Thu 24th Jul 6:54pm Post subject: |
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What do you have against capital letters?
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implant
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| Posted: Thu 24th Jul 7:19pm Post subject: |
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nOW that IS WHORING... 
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Nick_K
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I won't have anyone question my dedication 
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znomit
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| Posted: Thu 24th Jul 8:31pm Post subject: |
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If you did want to add some resistance how many watts would you want to drag? Would 25 make enough of a difference? Would a variable resistance setting 0-25W be useful?
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Al_Bushman
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| Posted: Thu 24th Jul 8:55pm Post subject: |
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| notanotherhill wrote: | | training with weight is not good reason being it will tend to make you ride your bike odd and give you bad habits. |
I agree with all the other points you made - but what about loading your bike up instead of strapping weights on your body? I'm sure this would make you stronger ultimately.
I never train with a backpack on though as it does affect your posture like you said.
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notanotherhill
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why it makes no sence. if you need to punish yourself like that just ride harder further and grind some big gears sprint up hills arround all the corners . try this for a day you will not want weight added to the ride. the key is miles the more the better but trying to ballance the work out between flat rides and hills and sometimes both is a challenge . head up a hill ride for a hour or 2 then pretend if you like its the last stretch to the finish line and get up out of the seat and go hard and i mean hard. do this more and more and on the flat after a few days you will notice the power you have and build on it from there but also take time to just spin the cranks as you dont want your legs to die but you need to feel close to it when you are done. i suggest the following/ 3 hour ride first hour easy just cruz second hour up a hill get the feel for the hill foe half a hour then sprint at every second corner and i mean sprint so you cant turn the crank no more. for the 3rd hour ride fast paced like you are racing and jump from the seat and sprint after cars or lamp posts. last haf hour ride easy and in you last 10min before home spin so you loosen up the acid. after a few days weeks this can be made longer harder etc and im sure you will agree you will not want weight added to ya bike.
weights will not in my opinion make you srtonger only sore. i used this method foe years and as mentioned i had some good success
its all about doing the miles its not always fun it hurts ya get ssiped off you dont get time to go out girl friends get ssiped off etetc you get the picture but that is the life of how a full time cyclist lives live it breath it sleep it miles and miles on the bike but like i mentioned my training methods are mine and they worked fine for me and i have been out of the game for a while now and i am sure there is so much more advanced ideas now and our cyclists are verry good dam good . but at the end of it remember whgat i said all work on the bike and no play you might as well say on the couch you will know when to much is to much . but this is the barier you need to get through get through that and your on your way.
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notanotherhill
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p.s yes my typing sucks .
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Al_Bushman
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| Posted: Thu 24th Jul 9:58pm Post subject: |
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| notanotherhill wrote: | | why it makes no sence. if you need to punish yourself like that just ride harder further and grind some big gears... blah blah blah ad nauseum |
Because some of us work and have families and have to get the max out of what precious time we do have. That's why.
It is possible to ride at the top level without living out the hellish training regime you described in your post above, which for most of us is enough. If I had the time I would do exactly what you described, as would most people here on Vorb (and we'd probably be faster and get better results) - but I don't, and still manage to mix it up with the big boys occasionally.. on a good day, with occasional wins.
So us time challenged people need to be smarter - and I think this is what this original post is getting at right? Adding weight but keeping intensity just as high means you get more out of less training - which is the end goal? Specificity & intensity are the key to any training regime.
At my peak traininng I'm doing no more than 300km per week. 250km would be normal - so it can be done.
Right - no more thinking for me tonight
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