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Oli
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| Flyboy wrote: | | BrokenKonaRider wrote: | | banga wrote: | | BrokenKonaRider wrote: | | ants06 wrote: | | but labor had 9 yrs to do some good time for some one else to try . IMO |
Lol, great argument, I've had 30ish years, long past my chance to do soem good. How about you?
Trucks do not pay enough for the costs they inflict on society and other road users.
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Well Im sitting here in an office chock full of people who do nothing but design roads all day long, and they are not worried about it, the roads are desinged to take the trucks and it waorks. the price of doing so has not jumped in the past 6 months dramatically so theres no need for this hike. HTH
http://www.mot.govt.nz/assets/_PDFAttachment/surface-transport-costs-ablahblahblah |
It's in your interest to think that. And 6 months versus only one price hike in 19 years? It sounds like it might be well justified.
By the way, if you're in an office of road designers can you please ask them to do a less tihs job in future? Thanks. 
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Spokes
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:00am Post subject: |
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| BrokenKonaRider wrote: | | banga wrote: | | BrokenKonaRider wrote: | | ants06 wrote: | | but labor had 9 yrs to do some good time for some one else to try . IMO |
Lol, great argument, I've had 30ish years, long past my chance to do soem good. How about you?
Trucks do not pay enough for the costs they inflict on society and other road users.
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Got anything to back that up? or is it just another throw away opinion? |
kcidhead
http://www.mot.govt.nz/assets/_PDFAttachment/surface-transport-costs-ablahblahblah |
So how do you propose to get goods around the country? Or do you think we should all grow our own?
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STINGRAY
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:04am Post subject: |
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| inzane wrote: | | Charging the trucks more to use the roads now that the gov now owns the rail... this might at least send more freight by rail!! |
Nelson town has no rail system so everything is trucked, Guess were screwed 
Also weren't the govt looking at upping the tare rating to 50 tonnes on some roads?? more damage we are lead to believe?
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BrokenKonaRider
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(For spokes)Um, how is that relevant? I'm not saying we don't need road transport, I'm just arguing that the trucks protest is arrogant, easily misunderstood, poitically driven, and futile
FYI Tony Friedlander (RTF Chair) is ex National MP
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phunk
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 Yeah cos its not like its their lively hood at stake or anything. Not like liberals to give a tihs about anyone but themselves, gnikcuf communists.
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Oli
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Flyboy
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:10am Post subject: |
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| Oli wrote: |
It's in your interest to think that. And 6 months versus only one price hike in 19 years? It sounds like it might be well justified.
By the way, if you're in an office of road designers can you please ask them to do a less tihs job in future? Thanks. |
Not my interest, I dont design roads - I just dont agree with waht the govt is doing here and how they went about it.
On road design - probably a fair call, I was going to reply with a smart-esrad comment, but then realised one of the boys is sitting there trying to figure out whether designing a loop-the-loop is actually feasible, so maybe you have a point there 
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Spokes
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:12am Post subject: |
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| BrokenKonaRider wrote: | (For spokes)Um, how is that relevant? I'm not saying we don't need road transport, I'm just arguing that the trucks protest is arrogant, easily misunderstood, poitically driven, and futile
FYI Tony Friedlander (RTF Chair) is ex National MP |
No it answers what I wanted to know. These changes will put some operators out of business. I know as a commmy you will hate this but people are alowed to make a living out of thier business. They have kids to feed as well.
So say once 10% of operators go down and with no rail freight options, how do we get goods around the country?
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Kyle
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:17am Post subject: |
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| Spokes wrote: | | These changes will put some operators out of business. |
Only the ones that shouldn't be there in the first place.
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mtbric
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| Monolith wrote: | I'm not sure of the figures etc... but would have thought that since they use a parcload more fuel than everyone else they already pay a tihsload more taxes, let alone their existing RUCs... like I said, I'm not sure of the stats behind it all 
The common motorist feels they are being F'd in the A with the current fuel prices, surely the truckies must feel like they're getting it from both ends - a good ol' spit roasting. |
I think you'll find that Diesel is not taxed to the same level as petrol because many diesel vehicles don't go on the road, thus why Diesel vehicles have to pay RUC's. ....
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BrokenKonaRider
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:19am Post subject: |
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| Spokes wrote: | | So say once 10% of operators go down and with no rail freight options, how do we get goods around the country? |
Basic economics:
if there is demand top get goods around the country, then surely suppliers of the transport service won't go out of business, and will pass on as much costs as possible.
Why do you say 10%?
(and yes your should grow your own veges - they much fresher and tastier)
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crazychris
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:20am Post subject: |
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| Oli wrote: | | And 6 months versus only one price hike in 19 years? It sounds like it might be well justified. |
Actually, it's 2 rises in 19 years (ish) however, closer to the truth is < 18mths since the last hike, and 18 years to the previous one.
*figures may be out by a reasonable margin of error - it's too late in the week for real research
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Spokes
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:24am Post subject: |
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| Kyle wrote: | | Spokes wrote: | | These changes will put some operators out of business. |
Only the ones that shouldn't be there in the first place. |
Why not?
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Spokes
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:27am Post subject: |
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| BrokenKonaRider wrote: | | Spokes wrote: | | So say once 10% of operators go down and with no rail freight options, how do we get goods around the country? |
Basic economics:
if there is demand top get goods around the country, then surely suppliers of the transport service won't go out of business, and will pass on as much costs as possible.
Correct but how much are you willing to pay for goods? Demand for product is dropping fast now due to costs.
Why do you say 10%?
A guess, maybe 20% is better.
(and yes your should grow your own veges - they much fresher and tastier) |
Veges are for freaks, real men eat pies.
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Kyle
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| Posted: Fri 4th Jul 10:29am Post subject: |
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| Spokes wrote: | | Kyle wrote: | | Spokes wrote: | | These changes will put some operators out of business. |
Only the ones that shouldn't be there in the first place. |
Why not? |
***BREAKING NEWS - PRICES FOR EVERYTHING ON THE RISE***. If they aren't able to realise that an do a little simple math then they shouldn't be in business. Someone else smarter and more efficient can and will take their place.
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