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CaptainCaveman
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Just be careful if you have a prescription greater than -4. Long term studies in the UK show that your chance of complications and reversion go up exponentially for larger corrections, and also be aware that the 'institute' often referred to in the local outfits marketing is in fact owned by them - they are not an independant test lab. That said, if you have a relatively small prescription then go for it.
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sooby
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| Punter wrote: |
I just dont know about having fricken laser beams pointed at me peepers.. hmmm |
The laser computer scans and corrects its targeting position 4000 times per second, all you see are pretty lights
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danose
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| jeremyb wrote: |
I'm wearing my glasses at the moment, had an allergic reaction to my contacts  still apparently I look smarter and like a yuppie designer type with them on  |
my glasses look MMMMUUUUCCCHHH cooler than yours - even if people do continually ask me if I've forgotten to take my riding glasses off
the big problem with laser surgery is that we have basically zero knowledge of the long term (20+ year effects). It could all turn out to be good and fine - or it could turn out to be that the price you pay for 20/20 now is being blind in your old age....but I'm all for people to go for it, we need more lab rats....
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CaptainCaveman
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| danose wrote: | | jeremyb wrote: |
I'm wearing my glasses at the moment, had an allergic reaction to my contacts still apparently I look smarter and like a yuppie designer type with them on |
my glasses look MMMMUUUUCCCHHH cooler than yours - even if people do continually ask me if I've forgotten to take my riding glasses off
the big problem with laser surgery is that we have basically zero knowledge of the long term (20+ year effects). It could all turn out to be good and fine - or it could turn out to be that the price you pay for 20/20 now is being blind in your old age....but I'm all for people to go for it, we need more lab rats.... |
Data from the UK suggestes that anyone who has had it on prescriptions greater than -4 are norpe to worstening astigmatism and a likely return o the original prescription within a decade because the structure of your eye is so compromised by the surgery - also, surgeons with less than 1000 procedures under their belt wer 5 times as likely to have patients with complications (odd given that it is computer guided, bu I wonder if it is a result of new clinics not being particularly selective with new clients? Got to pay for that new machine...
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mudguard
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esra, mine are 5.75 or something.
Getting sick of contacts and my new glasses ain't cutting it
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fraserb
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what a load of tihs you guys are spouting!!
if your scared of the long term effects of something and saying its unproven then stay the hell away from the "new" hydrogel soft contact lenses and for christ sake!! they were only introduced in 1999!!!
Mudguard - even if yuou dont get 20/20 vision out of it it will still be a parc load better than you have now.
I know that one day i will have to wear glasses again, but then if I hadnt had the surgery I would have had to have worn them for the last 10 years as well.
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sooby
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| Posted: Thu 3rd Jul 10:56am Post subject: |
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| CaptainCaveman wrote: |
Data from the UK suggestes that anyone who has had it on prescriptions greater than -4 are norpe to worstening astigmatism and a likely return o the original prescription within a decade because the structure of your eye is so compromised by the surgery - also, surgeons with less than 1000 procedures under their belt wer 5 times as likely to have patients with complications (odd given that it is computer guided, bu I wonder if it is a result of new clinics not being particularly selective with new clients? Got to pay for that new machine... |
Interesting, the eye clinic I went thru had something like 2 out of 20,000 ops have severe complications and those were due to post-op infections, not the surgery itself.
After the Op, patients must follow the eye-drop routine & go for scheduled check ups & this is where the majority of failures happen when its left to the patient. Can't understand that myself, no way I'm risking blindness for the sake of a few drops!
Kinda surprised you say the eye structure is so compromised, I mean they take 40 microns off the surface of the eye so it's hardly like they are taking to it with a hammer & chisel. Can I have a link to you source please, could be an interesting read?
They have been doing bladed (keratome?) surgery for 20years so there is some long term data available & lasik bladefree is just an improvement on that.
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sooby
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| mudguard wrote: | esra, mine are 5.75 or something.
Getting sick of contacts and my new glasses ain't cutting it |
Go & see them to find out more, I was off the charts in one respect apparently yet they were able to correct it successfully.
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CaptainCaveman
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| sooby wrote: | | CaptainCaveman wrote: |
Data from the UK suggestes that anyone who has had it on prescriptions greater than -4 are norpe to worstening astigmatism and a likely return o the original prescription within a decade because the structure of your eye is so compromised by the surgery - also, surgeons with less than 1000 procedures under their belt wer 5 times as likely to have patients with complications (odd given that it is computer guided, bu I wonder if it is a result of new clinics not being particularly selective with new clients? Got to pay for that new machine... |
Interesting, the eye clinic I went thru had something like 2 out of 20,000 ops have severe complications and those were due to post-op infections, not the surgery itself.
After the Op, patients must follow the eye-drop routine & go for scheduled check ups & this is where the majority of failures happen when its left to the patient. Can't understand that myself, no way I'm risking blindness for the sake of a few drops!
Kinda surprised you say the eye structure is so compromised, I mean they take 40 microns off the surface of the eye so it's hardly like they are taking to it with a hammer & chisel. Can I have a link to you source please, could be an interesting read?
They have been doing bladed (keratome?) surgery for 20years so there is some long term data available & lasik bladefree is just an improvement on that. |
My source is a bunch of doctors I used to work for (not Opthalmologists so no apparent bias) - they seemed to think it was basically OK for minor prescriptions but a potential disaster for bigger ones. They also made mention of what a load of parc the Eye Clinics marketing was, but who really knows? GP / Specialists rivalry / sour grapes?
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sooby
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I was talking with my (independent) optometrist at the one week post-op check today and he was saying the Eye Institute is getting a new lasik machine that scans the eyes at over 100,000 times per second (compared to only 40,000 times for the old machine) and so they are one of the few endorsed by NASA - maybe this outfit is not just marketing hype like other places you speak of?
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CaptainCaveman
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I don't know - but I guess with time they will sort out the problems / risks. In any event, no longer an option for me.
* Hot Tip #663 - Do not smash eye to pieces with a squash ball* 
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Friendly Llama
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| Posted: Thu 3rd Jul 4:34pm Post subject: |
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| CaptainCaveman wrote: | I don't know - but I guess with time they will sort out the problems / risks. In any event, no longer an option for me.
* Hot Tip #663 - Do not smash eye to pieces with a squash ball* |
I can't imagine balls in the face as pleasant in any way, shape or form. Sucks to be you. 
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MattV
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There is that other alternative that they're doing across the ditch. Inserting lenses underneith the surface.
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CaptainCaveman
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| Friendly Llama wrote: | | CaptainCaveman wrote: | I don't know - but I guess with time they will sort out the problems / risks. In any event, no longer an option for me.
* Hot Tip #663 - Do not smash eye to pieces with a squash ball* |
I can't imagine balls in the face as pleasant in any way, shape or form. Sucks to be you. |
Don't worry - chicks dig 'the crazy eye'
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sooby
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* Hot Tip #663 - Do not smash eye to pieces with a squash ball* [/quote]
ouch! Sorry to hear that, I've heard those squash balls can do a fair bit of damage.
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