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Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,401 Location: Poundland
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:40pm Post subject:
j2hyde wrote:
Wow, this hasn't degenerated into a labour fanboi vs nat fanboi scomohzzle yet! Did anyone read the link?
It's somewhat sobering. And I so dislike being sober
I blame our borked infrastructure and business conservatism
Rising fuel/ transport prices are going to push globalisation the "other way" with manufactured goods. New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
I suggest sorting out broadband infrastructure as quickly as gnikcuf possible so those who want to can start colloborating, developing and exporting their ideas for cold hard cash.
Mmmm... cold hard cash...
As radical_edward wrote:
If it became standard business practice to R&D your way to profit we might have a chance.
The standard NZ business practice of have one good idea then cutting costs to give apparent profit growth has been a losing strategy.
Joined: Aug 15, 2003 Posts: 16,717 Location: Opawa
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:48pm Post subject:
phunk wrote:
Lets rely on the govt to invest in areas to grow NZ, they know best after all.
Isn't the government the fastest growing sector of the economy
As for productivity, it's not about making people work harder for less money, its about having the capital to invest in technology to allow people to work smarter.
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,882 Location: Derailled
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:48pm Post subject:
Tama wrote:
New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
Higher wages (especially thru reduced taxes) would be a good start at that, very few bugger off overseas purely for the experience!
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,401 Location: Poundland
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:52pm Post subject:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
Higher wages (especially thru reduced taxes) would be a good start at that, very few bugger off overseas purely for the experience!
Reduced taxes aren't going to make a major impact to anyone's wages compared with overseas - unless you're planning to cut taxes by 100%
Joined: Aug 15, 2003 Posts: 16,717 Location: Opawa
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:53pm Post subject:
Nick_K wrote:
phunk wrote:
Lets rely on the govt to invest in areas to grow NZ, they know best after all.
As much as I agree with the sarcasm of this post, NZ busines in general isn't doing any better.
Smart exporters that deal in technology rather than commodities are doing very nicely thank you we are taking advantage of the recent drop in the US dollar and have full order books.
Don't believe everything you read in the media, those kcufers have alot to answer for.
As for productivity, it's not about making people work harder for less money, its about having the capital to invest in technology to allow people to work smarter.
But Slim, capital accumulation is bad, we do not like the "rich kcirps" who have lots of money to invest in raising productivity, best we redistribute it to make people better off in the short term so they can feel better about being useless.
The bright people with earning potential can just bugger off overseas, we dont want their kind here spoiling our backwater paradise.
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,882 Location: Derailled
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:55pm Post subject:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
Higher wages (especially thru reduced taxes) would be a good start at that, very few bugger off overseas purely for the experience!
Reduced taxes aren't going to make a major impact to anyone's wages compared with overseas - unless you're planning to cut taxes by 100%
Its a bit more about perspective, more money in peoples pockets is an incentive to stay, more money for grants to develop products etc would be good too...
As a side note, talking about taxes, I had a look at the working for families website the other day, I'm sure Labours taking the ssip, you can get a benefit if your income is upto $71000, WTF!!
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 34,401 Location: Poundland
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:57pm Post subject:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
Higher wages (especially thru reduced taxes) would be a good start at that, very few bugger off overseas purely for the experience!
Reduced taxes aren't going to make a major impact to anyone's wages compared with overseas - unless you're planning to cut taxes by 100%
Its a bit more about perspective, more money in peoples pockets is an incentive to stay, more money for grants to develop products etc would be good too...
As a side note, talking about taxes, I had a look at the working for families website the other day, I'm sure Labours taking the ssip, you can get a benefit if your income is upto $71000, WTF!!
That's because "Working For Families" is in effect a tax cut for people with jobs and kids.
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,882 Location: Derailled
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:58pm Post subject:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Tama wrote:
New Zealand is very good at making bright cookies filled with valuable ideas so we need a way to prevent them and their ideas from buggering off overseas permanently.
Higher wages (especially thru reduced taxes) would be a good start at that, very few bugger off overseas purely for the experience!
Reduced taxes aren't going to make a major impact to anyone's wages compared with overseas - unless you're planning to cut taxes by 100%
Its a bit more about perspective, more money in peoples pockets is an incentive to stay, more money for grants to develop products etc would be good too...
As a side note, talking about taxes, I had a look at the working for families website the other day, I'm sure Labours taking the ssip, you can get a benefit if your income is upto $71000, WTF!!
That's because "Working For Families" is in effect a tax cut for people with jobs and kids.
It costs a tihsload more to administer a benefit compared to a tax cut, what a waste of money!! Labour need to get over their hatred of tax cuts and love of benefits.
Joined: Aug 15, 2003 Posts: 16,717 Location: Opawa
Posted: Mon 30/Jun/08 12:59pm Post subject:
phunk wrote:
Slim wrote:
As for productivity, it's not about making people work harder for less money, its about having the capital to invest in technology to allow people to work smarter.
But Slim, capital accumulation is bad, we do not like the "rich kcirps" who have lots of money to invest in raising productivity, best we redistribute it to make people better off in the short term so they can feel better about being useless.
The bright people with earning potential can just bugger off overseas, we dont want their kind here spoiling our backwater paradise.
I've clearly been hanging round with the wrong crowd
That's because "Working For Families" is in effect a tax cut for people with jobs and kids.
Which discriminates against those that don't have kids - ie the young knowledge workers most likely to drive to future productivity gains and co-incidently most likley to bugger off overseas for better money.
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