i've always been for a car rego system that charges based on fuel consumption of the vehicle and on damage to the roads...
that would hit fat-asses who drive pointless 4wd's and hit trucks (thereby moving more freight to rails)... (tho, you'd need to lighten up on the trucks until the rails got a bit better...
worms?
can?
open...
what say y's to that?
kcidpunk indeed... my first name being Richard, could construe to make me kcid. as for punk, i dont take that as an insult. i was punk long before i was anything else...
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 12,597 Location: Looking for gozzies - have you seen any?
Posted: Tue 13th May 1:26pm Post subject:
except that cars tend to do more damage to roads than SUV's ( wide tyres spread the load way better) - and car in general act as rolling compactors, with roads designed with this in mind.
Damage to roads is mostly caused by 'big' trucks and the environment - not general traffic.
fuel consumption equally ill based. Consider a car using 10 litres to carry 10 people to work vs a car using 8 litres but can only carry 2 people ? Also - how is the effeciency to be measured?
nope - rising oil prices will do all this itself, no need to interfeer with more taxes and complicated systems that cost more to regulate and enforce than any good will come from
except that cars tend to do more damage to roads than SUV's ( wide tyres spread the load way better) - and car in general act as rolling compactors, with roads designed with this in mind.
Damage to roads is mostly caused by 'big' trucks and the environment - not general traffic.
fuel consumption equally ill based. Consider a car using 10 litres to carry 10 people to work vs a car using 8 litres but can only carry 2 people ? Also - how is the effeciency to be measured?
nope - rising oil prices will do all this itself, no need to interfeer with more taxes and complicated systems that cost more to regulate and enforce than any good will come from
good points... ta.
yeah, already petrol prices are lowering car use, so thats good...
Joined: Jun 20, 2004 Posts: 4,181 Location: Back in the Hood
Posted: Tue 13th May 1:49pm Post subject:
neels wrote:
If you charge more for the fuel for the tractors, factory machinery & transport vehicles, that will get passed on in the cost of the final product. So everybody pays.
As most of the users of NZ agricultural products (and the markets that set the prices which NZ users pay) are overseas, I say tax the farmers. After 5 years of record Dairy pay outs they're kcufen rolling in it...
Actually, in my 4wd I find cyclists a tihsload easier to see than in the shopping basket, an extra foot of seat height makes a hell of a difference when trying to see past vans & people movers
Joined: May 27, 2004 Posts: 9,859 Location: Nose City
Posted: Tue 13th May 1:50pm Post subject:
neels wrote:
I would have thought that the other idea that is doing the rounds at the moment of direct charging for road usage would be more effectively targeted.
yep - of course this already effectively done for diesel vehicles anyway, would be easy to bring in a similar scheme for petrol as well.
Of course it'd be even cooler to go to a full on electronic system with differential charging (you choose to drive your car into the cbd - you pay for it - same as congestion charging in london)
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 31,883 Location: Derailled
Posted: Tue 13th May 2:28pm Post subject:
phunk wrote:
Thats a rather short sighted and blinkered view of things.
Introducing Diesel excise tax? They really have no idea what they are talking about then.. Excise tax is to pay for roads, being levied at the point of entry into NZ, diesel is used for applications other than road fuel, hence the road user charges system for diesel vehicles.
What actual justification do they have for increasing taxes on fuel, other than they are smelly douchbag hippies.
Fuel tax already goes into a myriad of things including social welfare, the govt should cut back the tax take they have on fuel (almost 50% from memory) to bring the price back down as they're now getting even more money from it as the price rises.
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 32,412 Location: Liberty City
Posted: Tue 13th May 2:48pm Post subject:
jeremyb wrote:
phunk wrote:
Thats a rather short sighted and blinkered view of things.
Introducing Diesel excise tax? They really have no idea what they are talking about then.. Excise tax is to pay for roads, being levied at the point of entry into NZ, diesel is used for applications other than road fuel, hence the road user charges system for diesel vehicles.
What actual justification do they have for increasing taxes on fuel, other than they are smelly douchbag hippies.
Fuel tax already goes into a myriad of things including social welfare, the govt should cut back the tax take they have on fuel (almost 50% from memory) to bring the price back down as they're now getting even more money from it as the price rises.
While their taking more taxation from rising fuel prices the costs of running the country are going up too. Almost everything we do in our current society is oil dependent, especially infrastructure work - which is something New Zealand desperately needs more of.
Joined: Mar 05, 2006 Posts: 1,501 Location: Auckland, Mt eden
Posted: Tue 13th May 3:04pm Post subject:
Tama wrote:
. Almost everything we do in our current society is oil dependent, especially infrastructure work - which is something New Zealand desperately needs more of.
which is why petrochemical tax is a good idea if we are about to run out, better to use what reaming petrochemical left to help create a society not dependant on petrochemicals.
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