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mudguard
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Yeah Beaumont could go..
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avantibill
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| Posted: Sun 18th May 6:22pm Post subject: |
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Cromwell 
I spent almost every school holiday in Cromwell as my Grandparents lived there.
I remember it clearly way before the start of the construction of the dam, The NZ Road Services bus having to come to complete stop at each railway crossing in the gorge (there were a few of them) Trucks having to travel up to Lowburn on the gravel road, and go over the bridge up there and come back down on the main highway as the Cromwell bridge had a weight limit on it. The long delays on the gorge road when they were constructing the high road etc etc.
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Scotty
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| Posted: Sun 18th May 6:22pm Post subject: |
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| herbman wrote: | | mudguard wrote: | | herbman wrote: |
you mite not have the age or have been down this way to really know what it was like before the dam was even started. |
Keep you hair on. Cromwell was practically my second home, 10 weeks every summer, 3 weeks every winter, since 1981. I remember the orchards, Lowburn, Old Cromwell and rafting from Tarras to about Cromwell.
With dams there will always be someone who objects. I figured it was as good a place as any, despite the um, faultlines and large cracks.
I was about 8 or 9 when they started filling it.
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wasn't to sure how old you were as there are lot of poeple who think thats the way its always been.
to me it was a major loss of great land. and alot of history from the area.
now beaumont is a area that no one would miss. |
I would.
When are those in charge gonna get their heads out of their esras and subsidise people who want to generate their own?
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Henry Dorset Case
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| Posted: Sun 18th May 6:29pm Post subject: |
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| jeremyb wrote: | | mudguard wrote: | | philstar wrote: | | the environmental damage from hydropower is almost as bead as coal.. |
Eh? What's so bad about hydro? Apart from dropping several million tonnes of concrete into the ground?
The Clutha valley wasn't exactly scenic before hand, and yes it's on a fault line. But it's not like it was some pretty woodland that's now drowned. |
Hydro dams generate a ton of methane from rotting vegetation just below the water surface  |
source please. Is that constant over the life of the dam, or does it spike just after the dam is built then decline as the rotting material rots away?
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Datsane
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| Posted: Sun 18th May 10:30pm Post subject: |
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| Scotty wrote: | | herbman wrote: | | mudguard wrote: | | herbman wrote: |
you mite not have the age or have been down this way to really know what it was like before the dam was even started. |
Keep you hair on. Cromwell was practically my second home, 10 weeks every summer, 3 weeks every winter, since 1981. I remember the orchards, Lowburn, Old Cromwell and rafting from Tarras to about Cromwell.
With dams there will always be someone who objects. I figured it was as good a place as any, despite the um, faultlines and large cracks.
I was about 8 or 9 when they started filling it.
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wasn't to sure how old you were as there are lot of poeple who think thats the way its always been.
to me it was a major loss of great land. and alot of history from the area.
now beaumont is a area that no one would miss. |
I would.
When are those in charge gonna get their heads out of their esras and subsidise people who want to generate their own? |
Never will they wont make money from it. A school in Hamilton put solar panels up and feeds the extra back into the grid for credit. I'm lead to believe that they had to jump through hoops to do it and was only done because it was a school. A shame really.
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jeremyb
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 6:52am Post subject: |
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| Henry Dorset Case wrote: | | jeremyb wrote: | | Hydro dams generate a ton of methane from rotting vegetation just below the water surface |
source please. Is that constant over the life of the dam, or does it spike just after the dam is built then decline as the rotting material rots away? |
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7046
Sad but true, thats not my true source tho', have industry insight shall we say 
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jeremyb
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 6:58am Post subject: |
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| Scotty wrote: |
When are those in charge gonna get their heads out of their esras and subsidise people who want to generate their own? |
Not while the govt makes so much money off power generation if it was privately owned it might be a different story.
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Scotty
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True.
Oh, and there's something far more worse than rotting plant material created by hydros, think of what happens downstream.
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Bigfoot
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That still does not take much account into a time frame so far as I can see... Makes sense though, especially flooding heavy biomass areas, I wonder how much could be accounted for if the areas to be flooded are de-forested before flooding.
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CrustyMTB
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 9:01am Post subject: |
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The areas where Dams are likely in Otago have pretty low bio-mass, probably the rotting didymo downstream would be an issue.
Windfarms on the other hand are attractive and make cool swooshy noises...
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JumpR
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 9:47am Post subject: |
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| Scotty wrote: | True.
Oh, and there's something far more worse than rotting plant material created by hydros, think of what happens downstream. |
Bear in mind that there are differening scales of hydro generation in NZ. Smaller scale hydro can be established in a manner that minimises the extent of impacts on river ecosystems and surrounding land, whilst still providing enough power to provide for the energy demands of 1,500 homes..
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Datsane
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 11:51am Post subject: |
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| jeremyb wrote: | | Scotty wrote: |
When are those in charge gonna get their heads out of their esras and subsidise people who want to generate their own? |
Not while the govt makes so much money off power generation if it was privately owned it might be a different story. |
I said that  *
May I point out that all that biological material will produce the same amount of carbon/mehane weither the vallys dammed or not. I'd be more likely to say less as the plants can not continue there natural cycle. I could be all wrong of course and thinking about this in far to simple a matter.
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Grapefruit
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where was the option
"get a big dam tugboat and push it onto australia's coastline to make it a new OZ state and save on the greenhouse gases of everyone migrating over there'?
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Bigfoot
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 4:53pm Post subject: |
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How much CO2 do the rotting hookers in the avon produce??
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CrustyMTB
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| Posted: Mon 19th May 4:57pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfoot wrote: | | How much CO2 do the rotting hookers in the avon produce?? |
I plant a tree for each dead hooker I dump in the Avon to offset emissions.
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