Joined: Jun 09, 2006 Posts: 405 Location: Hiding under desk, Christchurch
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:10am Post subject:
Because I ride to/from work pretty much every day, I only fill the old deisel beast about once a month. Last fill was almost $130. Sheesh, it's cheaper to fly than it is to drive. I remember the first fill I did. Almost 80 litres, under $50. Sigh.
Joined: May 31, 2004 Posts: 10,573 Location: Home sweet, cold home
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:20am Post subject:
ThingOne wrote:
Filled up my scooter this morning.. $11bucks.. damm these prices are killin me..
I'm sure I remember you saying $9 in an earlier post. See, it IS affecting you!
crazychris wrote:
Because I ride to/from work pretty much every day, I only fill the old deisel beast about once a month. Last fill was almost $130. Sheesh, it's cheaper to fly than it is to drive. I remember the first fill I did. Almost 80 litres, under $50. Sigh.
I'm the same - filling once a month currently and 2 weeks ago was $130 - I nearly choked! A month earlier it was only $105 (granted I forget my supermarket voucher last time). I hate to think what it would be now. Looks like I won't need to fill it again before I head overseas though thank goodness.
interesting, not sure how many swimming pools this would equal but i think a lot. I am not saying i believe it or peak oil. But i think there is more to it than the simplistic way in which Tama put it forward a case for peak oil. Must be the air in ChChc, has resulted in him listening to hippies and CAN.
Quote:
The mystery of eugene island 330
Eugene Island is a submerged mountain in the Gulf of Mexico about 80 miles off the Louisiana coast. The landscape of Eugene Island is riven with deep fissures and faults from which spew spontaneous belches of gas and oil. Up on the surface, a platform designated Eugene Island 330 began producing about 15,000 barrels of oil per day in the early 1970s. By 1989, the flow had dwindled to 4,000 barrels per day. Then, suddenly, production zoomed to 13,000 barrels. In addition, estimated reserves rocketed from 60 to 400 million barrels. Even more anomalous is the discovery that the geological age of today's oil is quite different from that recovered 10 years ago. What's going on under the Gulf of Mexico?
It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the oil reservoir at Eugene Island is rapidly refilling itself from "some continuous source miles below the earth's surface." In support of this surmise, analysis of seismic records revealed a deep fault which "was gushing oil like a garden hose."
The deep-seated oil source at Eugene Island strongly supports T. Gold's theory about The Deep Hot Biosphere. Gold holds:
"that oil is actually a renewable, primordial syrup continually manufactured by the earth under ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this substance migrates toward the surface, it is attacked by bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating back to the dinosaurs."
The apparent deep-seated oil source at Eugene Island and Gold's ideas make petroleum engineers wonder about a similar situation at the seemingly inexhaustible oil fields of the Middle East.
"The Middle East has more than doubled its reserves in the past 20 years, despite half a century of intense exploitation and relatively few new discoveries. It would take a pretty big pile of dead dinosaurs and prehistoric plants to account for the estimated 660 billion barrels of oil in the region, notes Norman Hyne, a professor at the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma. "Offthe-wall theories often turn out to be right," he says."
(Cooper, Christopher; "It's No Crude Joke: This Oil Field Grows Even as It's Tapped," Wall Street Journal, April 16, 1999. Cr. C. Casale.)
i would suggest that if interested, do some searching.. interesting stuff pops up.
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,206 Location: Derailled
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:26am Post subject:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
phunk wrote:
Thats a rather short sighted and blinkered view of things.
Introducing Diesel excise tax? They really have no idea what they are talking about then.. Excise tax is to pay for roads, being levied at the point of entry into NZ, diesel is used for applications other than road fuel, hence the road user charges system for diesel vehicles.
What actual justification do they have for increasing taxes on fuel, other than they are smelly douchbag hippies.
Fuel tax already goes into a myriad of things including social welfare, the govt should cut back the tax take they have on fuel (almost 50% from memory) to bring the price back down as they're now getting even more money from it as the price rises.
While their taking more taxation from rising fuel prices the costs of running the country are going up too. Almost everything we do in our current society is oil dependent, especially infrastructure work - which is something New Zealand desperately needs more of.
Borrow money to invest in new technologies or keep going down the same path, I know what the govt is most likely to do... i'm not sure what this infrastructure we need is tho', if we get the gas prices high enough the roads are going to get much less use so they won't wear out, people will be healthier from biking or walking so much less hospital trips, the only downside is the govt will take less tax, boohoo!
Joined: Jan 12, 2003 Posts: 32,206 Location: Derailled
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:28am Post subject:
Joel wrote:
interesting, not sure how many swimming pools this would equal but i think a lot. I am not saying i believe it or peak oil. But i think there is more to it than the simplistic way in which Tama put it forward a case for peak oil. Must be the air in ChChc, has resulted in him listening to hippies and CAN.
Oil has to run out eventually, everyone agrees about that, when is the big question, it won't hurt to start looking for alternatives now IMO, anything to make us less dependent on foreign countries with rogue leaders!
Joined: Dec 25, 2001 Posts: 33,000 Location: Liberty City
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:32am Post subject:
jeremyb wrote:
Joel wrote:
interesting, not sure how many swimming pools this would equal but i think a lot. I am not saying i believe it or peak oil. But i think there is more to it than the simplistic way in which Tama put it forward a case for peak oil. Must be the air in ChChc, has resulted in him listening to hippies and CAN.
Oil has to run out eventually, everyone agrees about that, when is the big question, it won't hurt to start looking for alternatives now IMO, anything to make us less dependent on foreign countries with rogue leaders!
Zigactly
Apparently humans are blessed with foresight (though recent behaviour suggests otherwise)
Joined: Jun 09, 2006 Posts: 405 Location: Hiding under desk, Christchurch
Posted: Wed 28th May 9:36am Post subject:
Tama wrote:
jeremyb wrote:
Joel wrote:
interesting, not sure how many swimming pools this would equal but i think a lot. I am not saying i believe it or peak oil. But i think there is more to it than the simplistic way in which Tama put it forward a case for peak oil. Must be the air in ChChc, has resulted in him listening to hippies and CAN.
Oil has to run out eventually, everyone agrees about that, when is the big question, it won't hurt to start looking for alternatives now IMO, anything to make us less dependent on foreign countries with rogue leaders!
Zigactly
Apparently humans are blessed with foresight (though recent behaviour suggests otherwise)
Let's use it
We're too lazy tho.
Who turns all their applicances off each night at the wall, even tho we know we should? Who carpools when it means they will be early for work each day and have to travel with the git from accounting?
The only real way to solve the issues of consumption is to make it less work than the current consumption.
Teleporters (solar powered of course) are the only solution.
Oil has to run out eventually, everyone agrees about that, when is the big question, it won't hurt to start looking for alternatives now IMO, anything to make us less dependent on foreign countries with rogue leaders!
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