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wgtngrl
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| VERT wrote: | I'm sick of yelling at people for not wearing helmets
Maybe we need a few stupid people to fall off their bikes and hit their heads causing brain injury to get others to stand up and start paying attention?
There was an article in the News not so long ago where a rider got hit by a truck (and the truck kept going), at the end of the article it said the rider wasn't wearing a helmet. I thought this was a nice touch. |
So don't yell at them. Rather than see some injuries, it would be better to see the law enforced. If it's not applied consistently then it needs to be reviewed. You can't have laws you don't intend to reasonably enforce.
That comment at the end of the article was just stupid. I'm looking forward to articles that say at the end that the cyclist was wearing a helmet. The vast majority of us do, but the media have to have their good-guy/bad-guy thing.
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neels
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 1:05pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps a television campaign showing the difference between wearing and not wearing helmets, using suitable test subjects and large mallets?
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swtchbckr
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 1:43pm Post subject: |
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| TheRealHotKarl wrote: | | I just hope i remember to wear my helmet when i'm walking across the road and a truck runs the light. |
RANT CITY:
if the truck's doing more than about 20kph then your helmet aint gonna cut it...
bike helmets are designed to protect the brain from an impact cause by falling off a bike. when you're hit by a car doing 50-60kph and your helmet-wearing head hits the windscreen? same as if you werent wearing a helmet at all...
anyone over about 30 grew up riding bikes without helmets. no one i knew as a kid, and no one i even knew of as a kid, crashed and sustained a head injury.
when i first started mountainbiking (early 90s, in the states), i didnt wear a helmet, at the time they were too expensive, and no body else was wearing them... except for one guy i knew. and whenever we rode together, he'd crash and hit his head. i'd crash plenty, but my head was always spared... when i got back to NZ, i objected to the helmet law, but i got myself a helmet for riding (growing up, getting a bit more sensible maybe?). then i got worried about getting snapped by Mr Plod, so got myself a helmet for town too...
now, just like when i'm on a motorbike, it just feels wrong not to be wearing a helmet, (unless i'm just zipping to the dairy or local supermarket for something).
funny story. get the motorbike out of the garage, put on leather jacket, gloves, sunnies, crank it up, ride off. think "hey, the bike's awful noisy today?" then *click*. d'oh, helmet sitting on back steps...
someone above said "But really it comes down to a darwin thing, if people are stupid enough not to wear a helmet they should be ready to face the consequences when they crash." and wgntngrl made a good point in rebuttal...
for years, the motorcyclist lobby was adamant that helmets were unnecessary and it should be free choice. the cyclista have done or are still doing the same... but. we all pay tax into a health and ACC system. as long as we want to receive the benefits of that system, we have to abide by the laws made to 'protect' us from harm that might put us under the care of that health system. if thats wearing helmets, then so be it i guess.
and somebody else made the point earlier... per head population - cyclist, vs pedestrians, or car occupants, the pedestrians and car occupants sustain a helluva lot more head injuries than cyclists. therefore. pedestrians and car occupants should all be wearing helmets long before cyclists do. try getting your fatcat business-basdrat in his falco-dore to wear a helmet? or shanelle his boofy haired PA in her RAV4?
isnt there a stalwart member of CAN who is an anti helmet law advocate?
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neels
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 1:47pm Post subject: |
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The old let those that ride decide argument
As long as they pay their own expenses if it is determined that wearing a helmet would have prevented their injuries.......
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phunk
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 1:52pm Post subject: |
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 I say remove GST on helmets!
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philstar
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 2:22pm Post subject: |
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| neels wrote: | The old let those that ride decide argument
As long as they pay their own expenses if it is determined that wearing a helmet would have prevented their injuries....... |
the same should be for walkers and car occupants then too.
extend this furthere and we have a user pays health system.
It has been debated in other threads the accuracy of claims that helmets reduce head injuries, and there is evidence that they don’t.
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Spokes
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 2:28pm Post subject: |
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| philstar wrote: | | neels wrote: | The old let those that ride decide argument
As long as they pay their own expenses if it is determined that wearing a helmet would have prevented their injuries....... |
the same should be for walkers and car occupants then too. |
I concur, helmets should be in use in cars.
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Oli
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 2:50pm Post subject: |
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Do you really shout at people without helmets, VERT? 
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DEAD
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 3:07pm Post subject: |
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| Oli wrote: | | Do you really shout at people without helmets, VERT? |
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Oli
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WHY I OUTTA!!!
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Muz
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 3:34pm Post subject: |
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| neels wrote: | | Perhaps a television campaign showing the difference between wearing and not wearing helmets, using suitable test subjects and large mallets? |
ACC ran a similar campaign years ago about motorcycle accidents - I recall one photo in an edition of Kiwirider that made me want to puke (a person's knee area that had been ripped open by being ground into the tarmac during a crash), but it got the message across.
Scaring people will help some folks - but plenty of others will ignore the warnings regardless of how gory they may be. All in all though, I personally thought it was a very effective tactic to make people wake up a bit.
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VERT
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 3:57pm Post subject: |
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| Oli wrote: | | Do you really shout at people without helmets, VERT? |
yep or as I ride past them I point to get their attention and then tap my helmet
but I have kinda given up on doing it of late, there are far to many people riding helmetless
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VERT
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 4:00pm Post subject: |
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Actually I remember when I was a kid and when they 1st introduced the law, I pretty much reballed and didn't wear a helmet
Even the Helmet lady couldn't convince me
but then back in those days (shh) motorists weren't actively trying to kill or run down cyclists
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OliverBendix
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 4:19pm Post subject: |
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| VERT wrote: | | Even the Helmet lady couldn't convince me |
She convinced me at the time, I was a wuss as a kid.
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And thanks for the nice comment man. Really cheered me up after a tihsty day. |
H-Dog, I'm having trouble detecting and writing sarcasm on the net, so for the record this is all completely straight: I really do think you're well-meaning, as I wrote above, and I'm impressed that you actually want to help others. Giving away helmets is a nice and charitable idea.
I just don't think, personally, that helmets are important in the greater scheme of cycling safety. I got to this position, from initially thinking helmets were absolutely essential, by reading the statistics. I'm the kind of person who's amenable to statistical arguments about these sorts of things and someone who enjoys a graph or two so plots like the ones in this rather messy document appealed to me.
As usual, I'm sorry already that I've posted in a helmet thread!
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one_uknw
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 4:40pm Post subject: |
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I'll help ya spread the word but it's common sense imo. And if a parent lets their kid leave the house without one then they get hit by a car and die, they're an accessory.
If you don't wear a helmet and the ambulance comes to pick you up, consider yourself lucky. Some people might say you don't deserve one.
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