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TheRealHotKarl
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I just hope i remember to wear my helmet when i'm walking across the road and a truck runs the light.
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neels
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| Posted: Mon 12th May 9:08pm Post subject: |
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| crazychris wrote: | | Giving them helmets is one thing, and getting their parents to make them wear it is anohter. However, I often see kids (riding to school usually) with their helmet slung over the handlebars. So, yes, they have one, and mummy thinks they are wearing it, but they are too cool to put it on. |
I saw someone's nana riding on the footpath the other day with the helmet hanging on the bars, must have been taking lessons from the grandkids.
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crazychris
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Joined: Jun 09, 2006
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Location: Hiding under desk, Christchurch
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| Posted: Mon 12th May 9:10pm Post subject: |
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| neels wrote: | | crazychris wrote: | | Giving them helmets is one thing, and getting their parents to make them wear it is anohter. However, I often see kids (riding to school usually) with their helmet slung over the handlebars. So, yes, they have one, and mummy thinks they are wearing it, but they are too cool to put it on. |
I saw someone's nana riding on the footpath the other day with the helmet hanging on the bars, must have been taking lessons from the grandkids. |
didn't want to muss up her blur-rinse probably
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H-Dog
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 10:07am Post subject: |
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I know about the epidemic of Helmetbaritis. This is something that I am wanting to crack dow on as well.
Have talked to my parents about it andhavesome other ideas about this.
Write to the paper and try and get something published about cracking down on this. Send a copy of this letter to the Local police.
And just campus schools. Cause the schools obviously arent inforcing the wearing of helmets.
Oli. You are a good person. I am very serious about this and will be contacting you if/when something is started.
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OliverBendix
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 10:30am Post subject: |
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| crazychris wrote: | If you ride without a helmet, you are either
a) a brain-dead idiot
b) about to become one |
Save the hyperbole. Helmets are not that important - in the list of things you can do to improve your cycling safety, they're way down the list below improving your traffic skills and attitude, visibility, bike condition, driver behaviour...
Helmet wearing is more visible and easier to quantify than most of those things though and therefore more a obvious problem to a well-meaning guy like H-Dog.
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Friendly Llama
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 11:12am Post subject: |
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Surely even mountain bikers with cracked helmets could donate them - a less than ideal helmet is better than none at all? I have 3 or 4 I'd happily offload, one I still use for commuting...
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H-Dog
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:18pm Post subject: |
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| OliverBendix wrote: | | crazychris wrote: | If you ride without a helmet, you are either
a) a brain-dead idiot
b) about to become one |
Save the hyperbole. Helmets are not that important - in the list of things you can do to improve your cycling safety, they're way down the list below improving your traffic skills and attitude, visibility, bike condition, driver behaviour...
Helmet wearing is more visible and easier to quantify than most of those things though and therefore more a obvious problem to a well-meaning guy like H-Dog. |
Granted that these things are a problem. But to do all these things you need to really be out riding. And to ride you should be wearing a helmet. It is the law. And my real goal is to get cops cracking do on the people who are not wearing helmets. Cause I have witnessed people riding past cops without helmets and get away with braking the law.
My goal is to find some police and Canterbury politicians or something that ride their bikes and want to give their assistance to the cause.
And thanks for the nice comment man. Really cheered me up after a tihsty day.
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phunk
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:22pm Post subject: |
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 Perhaps you could campain to get the helmet law dropped?
While I agree that wearing a helmet is a positive thing, having more people on bikes outweighs any negative effects of not wearing a helmet, and if you can get more people on bikes without the compulsory wearing of helmets then the benefits to society are greater.
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wgtngrl
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:29pm Post subject: |
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| Friendly Llama wrote: | | Surely even mountain bikers with cracked helmets could donate them - a less than ideal helmet is better than none at all? I have 3 or 4 I'd happily offload, one I still use for commuting... |
NO! There is a reason why they say you should replace your helmet if you crash on it. If it's cracked it's f*cked. If it's old it's not ideal. Donating a cracked or past it's use by date helmet kind of makes a mockery of the whole thing. Sure there are loads of people out there wearing them, but I think it would send the wrong message if it was included in a scheme such as that being proposed.
That said, it's nice that you would be generous enough to donate yours - I just don't think it's the right way to go about it.
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H-Dog
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:30pm Post subject: |
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| phunk wrote: | Perhaps you could campain to get the helmet law dropped?
While I agree that wearing a helmet is a positive thing, having more people on bikes outweighs any negative effects of not wearing a helmet, and if you can get more people on bikes without the compulsory wearing of helmets then the benefits to society are greater. |
Why dont we campaign to get the seatbelt law dropped? Or make it ok to drink and drive.
They are laws put there to possibly save you. Now I know some drongos still break the laws. But if we inforce the laws like they should be. I think people will get the idea and rather pay a small sum for a helmet or put their seatbelts on or whatever. Rather than get a fine that will cost them alot more than just taking the time to click a buckle together.
I also thought about another 'Make it Click' campaign. But this one aimed at bike hemets.
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VERT
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:37pm Post subject: |
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People that dont have helmets doesn't bother me that much.
Its the people that ride their bikes with their helmet dangling from their handle bars that bothers the parc out of me, because these people know they should be wearing them.
But really it comes down to a darwin thing, if people are stupid enough not to wear a helmet they should be ready to face the consequences when they crash.
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wgtngrl
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:50pm Post subject: |
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| VERT wrote: | | But really it comes down to a darwin thing, if people are stupid enough not to wear a helmet they should be ready to face the consequences when they crash. |
What about the cost to society? In some cases where wearing a helmet might result in a concussion, not wearing one could result in brain injury - not death. The costs can be ongoing. That's why I'd prefer to see people wear helmets. I don't think the law is there to 'save lives' so much as it is to save money - tho it's a nice angle from a political perspective.
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thorg
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:53pm Post subject: |
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Darwinism is all well and good if the people being selected are informed enough and old enough to make that decision. Kids riding without helmets scares me - they dont appreciate the danger or consequences. Getting the 'cool kids wear lids' message across would be a start - but that aint gonna happen  Its just not cool to be safe, dangerous is cool, breaking rules is cool, scars are cool - but then brain injury is not cool.
Once helmets are cool, kids will wear them. they have the money for cell phones, ipods, GTA games, xbox etc etc etc - if helmets were 'cool' they would have them also. Giving them a helmet would change little until they think its ok to wear it.
But please - do try - I wish I was less cynical and more hopeful
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VERT
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:55pm Post subject: |
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| wgtngrl wrote: | | VERT wrote: | | But really it comes down to a darwin thing, if people are stupid enough not to wear a helmet they should be ready to face the consequences when they crash. |
What about the cost to society? In some cases where wearing a helmet might result in a concussion, not wearing one could result in brain injury - not death. The costs can be ongoing. That's why I'd prefer to see people wear helmets. I don't think the law is there to 'save lives' so much as it is to save money - tho it's a nice angle from a political perspective. |
I'm sick of yelling at people for not wearing helmets
Maybe we need a few stupid people to fall off their bikes and hit their heads causing brain injury to get others to stand up and start paying attention?
There was an article in the News not so long ago where a rider got hit by a truck (and the truck kept going), at the end of the article it said the rider wasn't wearing a helmet. I thought this was a nice touch.
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phunk
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| Posted: Tue 13th May 12:55pm Post subject: |
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If the positive impacts of more people on bikes from not having heltmet laws outweighs the negative impacts of more head injuries then the law is a bad one.
If the positive impacts of not wearing a seatbelt (????) outweighed the negative impacts of injuries then that law should be reviewed as well.
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