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Colin
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Do they like the hypothetical motor racings? Let them feel the POWER
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Robbie
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 9:04am Post subject: |
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To draw a parallel with a bigger event in a bigger city, the F1 GP in Adelaide became an event that the locals and the business looked forward to eavery year.
Quite a festival it was 
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ryguy
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | I personally think that it's shameful that NZ is hosting such an unsustainable event at all. Motorsport has a lot to answer for, and I think it would be better for the planet if it was just banned outright. |
Each racing car provides gratification for many people. How many people get gratification from the use of a personal vehicle? One in many cases.
Unless the racing car is using a multiple of thousand times more resources over x time period I don't see it as any less sustainable than someone unnecessarily driving themselves around in their own car.
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 9:07am Post subject: |
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| robbieracer wrote: | To draw a parallel with a bigger event in a bigger city, the F1 GP in Adelaide became an event that the locals and the business looked forward to eavery year.
Quite a festival it was |
And an even worse example of how unsustainable motor racing is. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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phunk
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 Are the organisers at the very least planting a couple of forests to offset the massive carbon footprint of such an event?
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 9:12am Post subject: |
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| ryguy wrote: |
Each racing car provides gratification for many people. How many people get gratification from the use of a personal vehicle? One in many cases.
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But this gratification could be got in ways that didn't glorify the wasting of resources by driving cars around in circles. Motor racing sets a supremely bad example. And the racing cars themselves are only part of the problem, the flow on effects of motor racing--it's a huge industry--are undoubtedly leading to the increased usage of the world's precious resources. I expect a lot of motor fans to offer rationalisations of the wasteful sport here, but that just goes to show how strong self-deception is.
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ryguy
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 9:47am Post subject: |
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | ryguy wrote: |
Each racing car provides gratification for many people. How many people get gratification from the use of a personal vehicle? One in many cases.
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But this gratification could be got in ways that didn't glorify the wasting of resources by driving cars around in circles. Motor racing sets a supremely bad example. And the racing cars themselves are only part of the problem, the flow on effects of motor racing--it's a huge industry--are undoubtedly leading to the increased usage of the world's precious resources. I expect a lot of motor fans to offer rationalisations of the wasteful sport here, but that just goes to show how strong self-deception is. |
I'm not a fan of V8 racing at all.
Using terms such as "wasting resources" and "wasteful sport" shows your own bias towards the environmental perspective. Many people may emphasise equally strong values on motor racing as you do on resource conservation. If your opinion is not of a majority then it would seem less than fair distribution of resource control for your opinion to be enforced.
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Datsane
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 9:51am Post subject: |
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | I personally think that it's shameful that NZ is hosting such an unsustainable event at all. Motorsport has a lot to answer for, and I think it would be better for the planet if it was just banned outright. |
Unless they do something about the amount of Plastic this and every other country uses, I don't see why you are whining about this (Dead gone away from the weekend  ) there are far more harmfull things on the planet.
Aren't they running on a bio blend this year or is it next?
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Colin
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 10:03am Post subject: |
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I like motor racing.
I know it is wasteful, and if honest probably not justifiable.
But just like I know knawing is wrong, it makes me warm inside and I can't stop liking it.
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Datsane wrote: | | Unless they do something about the amount of Plastic this and every other country uses, I don't see why you are whining about this (Dead gone away from the weekend ) there are far more harmfull things on the planet. |
So just because there are other environmental worries (plastic) that means you can entirely ignore this one? Painfully bad argument there. Furthermore, using an ethanol mix is just a distraction, a way that this wasteful sport can pretend that it is sensitive to ecological concerns.
| ryguy wrote: | | Using terms such as "wasting resources" and "wasteful sport" shows your own bias towards the environmental perspective. . |
It's not a bias if it's objectively true. How is driving gas guzzling cars around in circles not wasteful?
| ryguy wrote: | | If your opinion is not of a majority then it would seem less than fair distribution of resource control for your opinion to be enforced.. |
A) the majority of people are not V8 fans, B) even if they were, just because the majority thinks something to be true does not make it so. In this case people need to have their false and wasteful beliefs challenged.
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Datsane
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 10:17am Post subject: |
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | Datsane wrote: | | Unless they do something about the amount of Plastic this and every other country uses, I don't see why you are whining about this (Dead gone away from the weekend ) there are far more harmfull things on the planet. |
So just because there are other environmental worries (plastic) that means you can entirely ignore this one? Painfully bad argument there. Furthermore, using an ethanol mix is just a distraction, a way that this wasteful sport can pretend that it is sensitive to ecological concerns.
| ryguy wrote: | | Using terms such as "wasting resources" and "wasteful sport" shows your own bias towards the environmental perspective. . |
It's not a bias if it's objectively true. How is driving gas guzzling cars around in circles not wasteful?
| ryguy wrote: | | If your opinion is not of a majority then it would seem less than fair distribution of resource control for your opinion to be enforced.. |
A) the majority of people are not V8 fans, B) even if they were, just because the majority thinks something to be true does not make it so. In this case people need to have their false and wasteful beliefs challenged. |
Maybe motor sports to distract you from the other problems in the world.
Bleeting about how everyone is raping the world and you all need to stop is stupid, for one no ones going to listen to just another wack job on the internet having thier 5minutes in the sun. You are using these same resources you want to protect to make things like motorsport the problem. The amount of plastic, water, trees and the list goes one that people will waste in trying to stop something else is stupidly high.
If you want to ban motorsport you will then need to look at banning TV programmes, movies, music, the internet, computers and on and on. They all waste resources just for entertainment I'm beting more then motorsports ever would to.
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ryguy
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| Posted: Fri 11th Apr 10:21am Post subject: |
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: |
| ryguy wrote: | | Using terms such as "wasting resources" and "wasteful sport" shows your own bias towards the environmental perspective. . |
It's not a bias if it's objectively true. How is driving gas guzzling cars around in circles not wasteful?
| ryguy wrote: | | If your opinion is not of a majority then it would seem less than fair distribution of resource control for your opinion to be enforced.. |
A) the majority of people are not V8 fans, B) even if they were, just because the majority thinks something to be true does not make it so. In this case people need to have their false and wasteful beliefs challenged. |
I'm thinking in terms of social utility gained through motorsport. If utility gained outweighs utility lost, especially in regard to resource use, then it is a net benefit to humankind for this activity to take place. The reality of the situation is that there is probably a net gain which is why the event occurs at all. Resources are used to improve life and personal utility, the term "wasteful" depends entirely on your perspective of an activity.
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phunk
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Motorsport cause externalities that are imposed on society and not taken into account in the 'costs' you cite.
These externalities imply that the govt should step in and regulate, impose taxes, or ban motorsport entirely for the benefit of society.
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Datsane wrote: | | Maybe motor sports to distract you from the other problems in the world. |
I agree, motorsports keep the masses entertained, stupid, and passive. Sort of how you keep a baby entertained with a brightly coloured mobile. 
| Datsane wrote: | | If you want to ban motorsport you will then need to look at banning TV programmes, movies, music, the internet, computers and on and on. They all waste resources just for entertainment I'm beting more then motorsports ever would to. |
If these things can be shown to be as wasteful as motor sports (though my internet does pretty good milage to the litre  ) then I'm happy with placing restrictions on their use. But this says nothing at all about how wastefully pointless motor racing is.
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Colin
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | Datsane wrote: | | If you want to ban motorsport you will then need to look at banning TV programmes, movies, music, the internet, computers and on and on. They all waste resources just for entertainment I'm beting more then motorsports ever would to. |
If these things can be shown to be as wasteful as motor sports (though my internet does pretty good milage to the litre ) then I'm happy with placing restrictions on their use. But this says nothing at all about how wastefully pointless motor racing is. |
| Earlier, Prof. Badtouch wrote: | So just because there are other environmental worries (plastic) motorsport that means you can entirely ignore this one these ones? Painfully bad argument there. |
Foot. Bullet. Shot !! Truely a painful argument.
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