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CrustyMTB
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| Wobbler wrote: | | cosmic bank account |
Bloody Budhists transaction fees are too high, I've stuck with the Catholics even though I hate their CEO...
I think the way you present yourself to the world affects the way that things work out for you, but this is due to socialiological effects than to any metaphysic cosmic farces...
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banga
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| radical_edward wrote: |
Karma is not some sort of cosmic bank account*. It is simply an acceptance of the consequence of your actions, or a questioning of the motivation for said actions. Greed, selfishness and anger will make any successes or failures from your actions ultimately empty.
So, if you get into a sword fight and somebody chops your head off, you will be much better off spiritually if you had accepted the consequences of your actions beforehand. Likewise, if you are rude and self centred, it will hurt a lot more when you get your comeuppance. 
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Bulltihs. The same goes for that tripe that Dazzle wrote. tihs happens, and how nice or generous you are to people has very little bearing on what you will get out of it either in terms of concequences or "spiritually," whatever that means. If karma means that if you are nice and generous to people, they will be nice back, then it is an utterly vacuous notion.
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Bigfoot
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 7:33am Post subject: |
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Good people die all the time, bad people too. Good stuff happens to good people and bad people, same with bad stuff. Life's a hctib.
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 7:34am Post subject: |
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But if you're a good person and get run over by a bus you will feel all the better for it!!!!!
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Bigfoot
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The smug will cushion the blow? IM GONNA GO BUY A HYBRID
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 7:37am Post subject: |
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| Bigfoot wrote: | | The smug will cushion the blow? IM GONNA GO BUY A HYBRID |
That's enough cosmic currency to make you feel good about molesting kids!
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radical_edward
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 7:52am Post subject: |
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| Prof. Badtouch wrote: | | Bulltihs. The same goes for that tripe that Dazzle wrote. tihs happens, and how nice or generous you are to people has very little bearing on what you will get out of it either in terms of concequences or "spiritually," whatever that means. If karma means that if you are nice and generous to people, they will be nice back, then it is an utterly vacuous notion. |
Indeed Buddhist teaching addresses your point that "how nice or generous you are to people has very little bearing on what you will get out". You can be as 'nice' or 'generous' as you like, but if you are delusional, in that your motivations for such actions are in the hope of personal gain, then you will be bummed out.
You should chat with a few monks. They represent as broad range a of view and opinions as general society. A number are highly conversant in Science and Mathematics. Not at all superstitious people. Of course, some are very weird and go on about fairies and demons.
One big happy theocracy, afforded the luxury of being able to research the nature of society, the universe, consciousness or whatever they want, thanks to the charity of the population and the fee paying students that the temples take in.
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E Dogg Capizzle
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 8:02am Post subject: |
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| radical_edward wrote: |
Indeed Buddhist teaching addresses your point that "how nice or generous you are to people has very little bearing on what you will get out". You can be as 'nice' or 'generous' as you like, but if you are delusional, in that your motivations for such actions are in the hope of personal gain, then you will be bummed out. |
There is also a significant precedent for this is Western culture in Kantian deontological ethics: the right thing to do it to treat others as an end in themselves irrespective of what you stand to gain. Unfortunately both approaches just do not square with human nature: we just are intrinsically self-interested. Furthermore, being self-interested, though seen as a negative in many moral schemes (especially anti-humanist ones like Buddhism and Christianity where the individual is often marginalised), is a practical necessity, and usually just does lead to the most equitable outcome. You should read Matt Ridley's The Origin of Virtue, who unlike the monks and Kant bases his ideas in scientifically described reality.
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Bigfoot
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Everyone knows reality is not as important as feelings.
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thorg
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 what is reality 
delusions of mediocrity have served me well for many years 
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radical_edward
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The Tibetan interpretation of Buddhism has a lot to do with keeping the peasant folk happy with their lot, and paying donations and educational fees to the temples.
But it is not too a bad framework to hang a belief system on.
Despite our inherent self interest, few of the worlds population are in a position to have these interests fulfilled. So striving to go through life not motivated by want or needs is a nice option.
As a bonus, the less time you spend on pursuing monetary gain, the more time you have to pass your genes on.
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JaredTheAmazing
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Everyone, everywhere believes the same thing about everything - we confuse definition of terms thats all. (Thats fact BTW). Heres Tom with the weather....
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MattV
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| Posted: Fri 28th Mar 4:43pm Post subject: |
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| JaredTheAmazing wrote: | | Everyone, everywhere believes the same thing about everything - we confuse definition of terms thats all. (Thats fact BTW). Heres Tom with the weather.... |
How do you draw to thta conclusion> ?
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Natral
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because it's a fact. sheesh.
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