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Cabin
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| SlackBoy wrote: | | crazyfraz wrote: | | yeah pretty sad that an event that is mean't to held in a high regard attracts such small fields!i thought the new format was mean't to try and get more people to the events, yet this year there seems to be half the amountt of riders, how are you able to really test yourself against such a small field. |
Make the events this year more regional to attract the punters but take sports class out!!!, luv ya work bikeNZ |
And take the 'national' part out so make it not worth interisland travel for expert/elite..... don't keep the mtb mags informed with press releases etc....and....and...
.... Something has to change in a big way doesn't it? Soon? Please? I think its a bit sad that I of all people have next to no interest in the 'national' season this year.
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johnL
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Cabin join the MTBNZ exec and make all the changes you want. they do!
The changes are some of what you and others asked for if I remember rightly. hard nut to crack this one, is MTB going recreational based or competition based, Im thinking that recreation is winning.
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Natral
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| Posted: Tue 8th Jan 11:29am Post subject: |
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| johnL wrote: | | . hard nut to crack this one, is MTB going recreational based or competition based, Im thinking that recreation is winning. |
DH appears not to be
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wgtngrl
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I'll be interested to see what turnouts we get in the north island. I'm witholding final judgement til the end of the season but the only thing they did that I supported was lower xc fees (pretty incredible that lower fees has coincided with lower turnouts, but I think we can thank removal of sport class as the real reason there).
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Cabin
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| Posted: Tue 8th Jan 12:51pm Post subject: |
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| johnL wrote: | Cabin join the MTBNZ exec and make all the changes you want. they do!
The changes are some of what you and others asked for if I remember rightly. hard nut to crack this one, is MTB going recreational based or competition based, Im thinking that recreation is winning. |
Point taken! I figure that my community service in developing the sport has been helping out the 8 or 9 riders I did through creating the Aunt Bettys team, and the promo work I did through that. So for now I am being selfish and worrying about my own interests in XTERRA.... so MTBNZ exec can wait a year or two.
You are right in that some of the changes they have made are what I suggested. i.e. Events of a style more appealing to the 'average' rider. However, I think they have made a big mistake in creating more events, and essentially competing with established events of this type.
I believe there should still be a national series.... but that it is made up of a number of existing, established, and popular events (ie Karapoti, Crater Rim, Summer N-Duros etc...) that hold wide appeal. Then have maybe one or two extra events that are the UCI format ones.
And perhaps tender the whole series to an event promoter. One whose potential income would be dependant on a successful series, with good numbers, and media?
Currently too many events.And what should be the premier ones aren't holding much appeal. As opposed to the one-off events that everyone seems to want to do.
As we're all saying.... tough nut to crack.
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Slim
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| Posted: Tue 8th Jan 12:53pm Post subject: |
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Bring back sport, and numbers will come back
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crazyfraz
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why couldn't the natonal series have remained but also have an island cup aswell. maybe it was too much of a change? and top riders are looking at potential money earners instead of bragging rights.why not have prize money or prizes for the top placings in each category?
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johnL
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there are a few riders doing both cups but not many in XC
I think the numbers will improve when the North Island rounds will be on, They are a perfect lead in to the National Champs with out over racing. If the rounds were the other way, the guys would be racing south island as a preference to prepare for Champs.
Why no sport class? I think it was open to promoters to add these events but I might be wrong on that- im not involved anymore
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cpower
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I'm with JohnL, having the south island cup too early in the season killed it.
Everybody I know is focusing on the north island cup and ignoring the south. But then again, I am a north islander...
Glad I don't have to travel to the south as much, but taking the 'national' out of the nationals is mega-naff.
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Cabin
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Next point.... how long does it take to post up the actual results? Granted, they did get a basic press release out. But pretty poor PR in my opinion if this is to be seriously as a premier race series.
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cpower
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I particularly liked the grainy photos with a finger over the lens from round one. Very professional and premier-event like 
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crazyfraz
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the south island cup almost seems to be experimental, having the first two races a month apart is pretty hard on riders wanting to travel to an event, don't know why they didn't have 3 weeks in a row then a break of 3 weeeks then the north island then a 2 week break then nationals. surly if it was structured better then it might have a better turn out or given higher priority. 
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Tri
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| AuntBetty wrote: | | Next point.... how long does it take to post up the actual results? Granted, they did get a basic press release out. But pretty poor PR in my opinion if this is to be seriously as a premier race series. |
Prelim results were up earlier today on the BikeNZ site - sounds like they have had some problems with the lap times?
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SlackBoy
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| Posted: Tue 8th Jan 6:14pm Post subject: |
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| AuntBetty wrote: | | johnL wrote: | Cabin join the MTBNZ exec and make all the changes you want. they do!
The changes are some of what you and others asked for if I remember rightly. hard nut to crack this one, is MTB going recreational based or competition based, Im thinking that recreation is winning. |
Point taken! I figure that my community service in developing the sport has been helping out the 8 or 9 riders I did through creating the Aunt Bettys team, and the promo work I did through that. So for now I am being selfish and worrying about my own interests in XTERRA.... so MTBNZ exec can wait a year or two.
You are right in that some of the changes they have made are what I suggested. i.e. Events of a style more appealing to the 'average' rider. However, I think they have made a big mistake in creating more events, and essentially competing with established events of this type.
I believe there should still be a national series.... but that it is made up of a number of existing, established, and popular events (ie Karapoti, Crater Rim, Summer N-Duros etc...) that hold wide appeal. Then have maybe one or two extra events that are the UCI format ones.
And perhaps tender the whole series to an event promoter. One whose potential income would be dependant on a successful series, with good numbers, and media?
Currently too many events.And what should be the premier ones aren't holding much appeal. As opposed to the one-off events that everyone seems to want to do.
As we're all saying.... tough nut to crack. |
Thats pretty much what was said (well you said)at the palmy race 2 years ago cabin. Pity that it hasn't fully been taken on-board.
I'd expect to see reasonablish numbers at the NI XC rounds. But the lack of the sport class is possible the stupidest thing that MTBNZ has done (and theres been a few doozys in the past). Not only does it take away the numbers from that class, it also takes away those racers that have their partners/kids come to races and do them as well. Bob the expert racer will choose another race where his daughter, lil sally and wife, peggy sue can also race. Lil Sally and Peggy Sue are sport racers, so they and Bob are going to do an N-duro race instead (names may have been changed to protect the stupid).
I am however very very happy they have dropped the prices of the XC's. I don't need to make snide remarks about them anymore
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Scotty
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Does anyone know what the reasoning was behind wiping out the sport class?
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