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Peak Oil Has Been Passed And The End Of The World Is Nigh


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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:17am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

There are lots of references both sides..this one seems kinda balanced.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/07/news/economy/oil_prins.fortune/index.hblahblahblah

However when prices rise as fast as they have its a bubble as nothing fundamental has changed, supply and demand are pretty much the same as 3 years ago so why has the price of oil trebled.
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:19am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

phunk wrote:
{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121547293036933987.html?mod=opinion_mablahblahblah


Wow an opinion piece, I'm convinced.

Why have prices done up so much when
*Production has increased at a faster pace than demand?
*Oil inventories are at historically higher levels?
*Goepolitical stability is greater than 1 year ago?
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} Some stats on those?
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

phunk wrote:
{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} Some stats on those?


I'll try to track down some opinion pieces or maybe even a blog for evidence.


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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

Nick_K wrote:
phunk wrote:


You said the speculators are to blame, I said thats a dumb thing to say.


I think theres plenty of evidence that speculation is driving up prices, by how much Its hard to say.

Senate report (from 2006 when prices where half what they are now) claim upto 60% of oil price is due to speculation.

http://www.senate.gov/~levin/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspeblahblahblah
Except that their "evidence" is (a) unregulated contracts trading (which they have no reported information about) and (b) an analogy with the dot.bomb collapse and market irrationality.
So the argument based on a) is pure conjecture "we don't know whats going on so it must be speculators"
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b) is comparing a phenomenon casued by the buying and selling of companies based on ideas but with no real world existence, income or product premised on a belief that market cycles didn't exist. But talking about trading in shares and trading in supply contracts (futures) as being the same thing is wrong, one is speculating that an entity may or may not make a profit the other is speculting that a commodity will rise (or fall) in price by a ceratin amount. There is no analogy...

So me the Greens, Phunk and I all agree... Crazy
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

phunk wrote:
{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} Some stats on those?


What is your argument phunk?.. Why do you believe the price of oil has increased so dramatically?
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:27am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} High demand, restricted supply, eventually the stuff will run out, uncertainty.
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PostPosted: Thu 17th Jul 11:31am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

phunk wrote:
{Posted via mobile.vorb.org.nz} High demand, restricted supply, eventually the stuff will run out, uncertainty.


Time will tell I guess, no one really knows.
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PostPosted: Fri 18th Jul 6:09am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

When do we bolt the supercharger to the Falcon Coupe and paint it matt black, drive aimlessly around country roads taking out motorcyclists in the name of honour.
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When do we bolt the supercharger to the Falcon Coupe and paint it matt black, drive aimlessly around country roads taking out motorcyclists in the name of honour.
Move to the Waikato and start today!!
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PostPosted: Thu 14th Aug 8:56am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

interesting opinion piece on ft.com

Insight: Oil prices have peaked
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/99e4c70a-6944-11dd-91bd-0000779fd18c.html

i do like the adage used at the end: “nothing cures high prices like high prices,”
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PostPosted: Thu 14th Aug 9:00am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

Joel wrote:
interesting opinion piece on ft.com

Insight: Oil prices have peaked
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/99e4c70a-6944-11dd-91bd-0000779fd18c.html

i do like the adage used at the end: “nothing cures high prices like high prices,”
Which part of "finite resource" don't people understand Eh?
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PostPosted: Thu 14th Aug 9:02am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

Tama wrote:
Joel wrote:
interesting opinion piece on ft.com

Insight: Oil prices have peaked
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/99e4c70a-6944-11dd-91bd-0000779fd18c.html

i do like the adage used at the end: “nothing cures high prices like high prices,”
Which part of "finite resource" don't people understand Eh?


with your insights i guess your making a killing on the commodity market.



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PostPosted: Thu 14th Aug 10:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

There have been "oil prices have peakd" stories in the financial and mainstream US press all the way from US$60 a barrel. Why should this article be any different?

Our own Treasury did an analysis of all these articles last year and concluded that we would be back to US$60 a barrel by now. The hippies and geologists are the ones who got it right.
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PostPosted: Thu 14th Aug 10:13am    Post subject: Reply with quote Report Abuse

radical_edward wrote:
There have been "oil prices have peakd" stories in the financial and mainstream US press all the way from US$60 a barrel. Why should this article be any different?

Our own Treasury did an analysis of all these articles last year and concluded that we would be back to US$60 a barrel by now. The hippies and geologists are the ones who got it right.
A workmate had a very good theory about the relationship between the U.S. Peak Oil denialists and the number of creationists in the U.S. Tongue it

Of course oil won't run out - God will keep on making it Double Thumbs Up
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