Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby Ahad on Fri 27/Feb/09 5:56pm

Awesome!! Great for the country I reckon!
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby thorg on Fri 27/Feb/09 7:24pm

phunk wrote:WASTE OF MONEY!!
dont worry, it wont even start. It will get bogged in red tape with the twig/tweet brigade fighting every blade of grass proposed to be cut, community infighting over wanting/not wanting it near them, budget projections showing it will actually cost 500mil. . . . .
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby kevOD on Fri 27/Feb/09 7:38pm

Don't forget that the other bit of news to come out of the job summit was nine days of work in two weeks. so that extra day is to be spent "doin a government course". could easily be transfered to digging that track or any single track that can be shown to "benefit" the community. sharpen the spade.
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby nostromo on Fri 27/Feb/09 7:48pm

thorg wrote:
phunk wrote:WASTE OF MONEY!!
dont worry, it wont even start. It will get bogged in red tape with the twig/tweet brigade fighting every blade of grass proposed to be cut, community infighting over wanting/not wanting it near them, budget projections showing it will actually cost 500mil. . . . .

I just found John Keys "Nation of whingers" :p
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby Crashed on Fri 27/Feb/09 9:31pm

How far will 50 million go when its going to cost 43million to get across the Auckland Harbour bridge if they follow state highway 1.As good as it would be to have a cycleway ,this is NZ so it wont happen well not in my life time ,If they cant get there act together to build another harbour crossing ,which was needed 10 years ago or a real road into Wellington What chance do we have of getting a cycleway built?
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby nzmatto on Sat 28/Feb/09 6:45am

Crashed wrote:How far will 50 million go when its going to cost 43million to get across the Auckland Harbour bridge if they follow state highway 1.As good as it would be to have a cycleway ,this is NZ so it wont happen well not in my life time ,If they cant get there act together to build another harbour crossing ,which was needed 10 years ago or a real road into Wellington What chance do we have of getting a cycleway built?


Alas, I have to agree with you. Whilst it would be an awesome thing to have, especially if it is of a quality for cycle tours, I agree it would cost far more than the predictions.

shit-----I just looked outside and the day is dawning, I can see a few puffy clouds in the sky, and it is calm as in Wellington. I knew I should have gone ahead and planned to ride today, but dammit I've got work to do....and that means overtime :)
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby slowMTB on Sat 28/Feb/09 8:26am

While it appears that it is just going to become a pipe dream, I like the idea.

As stated before, the small towns could really benefit from this type of vision. The efficiency of the mighty motor vehicle generally means that people just drive straight through the small communities contributing nothing :( . People can only cycle so far in a day and would quite likely plan a trip stage by stage utilising "small town" resources along the way :)

It is a fantastic idea and given the geographic scale of NZ is quite feasible , an "on road" experience would be the most practical option ( fit your slicks MTBers ) . It would be cool to see some of the rail trails utilised for certain stages as they see some beautiful country we miss in a motor vehicle.

The world is becoming more "Eco aware" and cycling certainly falls under this umbrella so long term it could become a really good draw card for tourism and enthusiasts alike.

Hmmmmm, SS the length of NZ :love:

I like it :thumbsup:
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby pb on Sat 28/Feb/09 9:29am

I agree, the plan for the full length of NZ seems to be a bit far fetched, especially for 50mil. But, could be scaled back a bit and done in stages. Start by building shorter sections between some of the normal tourist towns, then set up bike compatible public transport for the rest. Over time the networks can be expanded and one day might get to the whole country.
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby happybaboon on Sat 28/Feb/09 9:36am

pb wrote:set up bike compatible public transport

And you said that building a road from one end of the country to the other for $50m was far fetched :lol:
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby Mr_Bob on Sat 28/Feb/09 9:42am

nice idea, believe it when I see it completed :huh:
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby Simonk on Sat 28/Feb/09 10:25am

The $50 mill figure is getting a lot of flack.

The standard rate for gravelled single track is $25/m. So $50mill is good for about 2000km of track. Take away the cost of design, signs, infrastructure, etc and you'll still be left with enough for a LOT of track. Bear in mind that this can tie in with other projects - and be realistic that it would involve simply repainting some sections of road to link the off-road stuff - and you're still looking at the most significant cycling project that NZ has ever considered.

It amazes me that any cyclist should see this as a glass half empty situation.
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby thorg on Sat 28/Feb/09 10:35am

Simonk wrote:The $50 mill figure is getting a lot of flack.
It amazes me that any cyclist should see this as a glass half empty situation.
Personally I am a realist, and being in a position that allows me to see these things in action, know that even if JK announced "this has my Governements full support, we will commence tomorrow!" - I see getting the final route agreed at least 5 years off. It's just a fact of life when living in a community, people disagree, a lot. So whilst I think it is a great idea, and would volunteer my time on the shovel to help it along, I still think it will not come to pass. As a guage, how long has 'the long pathway' been going?
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby slowMTB on Sat 28/Feb/09 10:41am

Simonk wrote:The $50 mill figure is getting a lot of flack.

The standard rate for gravelled single track is $25/m. So $50mill is good for about 2000km of track. Take away the cost of design, signs, infrastructure, etc and you'll still be left with enough for a LOT of track. Bear in mind that this can tie in with other projects - and be realistic that it would involve simply repainting some sections of road to link the off-road stuff - and you're still looking at the most significant cycling project that NZ has ever considered.

It amazes me that any cyclist should see this as a glass half empty situation.


Exactly, its got me facked. I thought I was in good company here on Vorb but it appears a fair percentage are "the glass half empty" brigade :(

How about some more enthusiasm folks. Don't get hung up on the details but embrace the concept :)

PS: Don't give me the " just being practical " b'shiat - it doesn't wash with me.
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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby Scaredy_Cat on Sat 28/Feb/09 10:42am

[hijack]

Hmm - riding the length of NZ - this idea appeals to me. Definitely on my things to do list :)

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Re: Cycleway The Length Of New Zealand

Postby happybaboon on Sat 28/Feb/09 10:52am

Simonk wrote:The $50 mill figure is getting a lot of flack.

The standard rate for gravelled single track is $25/m. So $50mill is good for about 2000km of track. Take away the cost of design, signs, infrastructure, etc and you'll still be left with enough for a LOT of track. Bear in mind that this can tie in with other projects - and be realistic that it would involve simply repainting some sections of road to link the off-road stuff - and you're still looking at the most significant cycling project that NZ has ever considered.

It amazes me that any cyclist should see this as a glass half empty situation.


Presumably it's $25/m for track on land that you've got the right to build on?

Govt doesn't own a track of land spanning the entire length of the country*, and most farmers would be unwilling to welcome thousands of tourists onto their farms every year (with good reason).

*unless you want the trail to follow SH1 and/or rail lines...
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