Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby FSR_Man on Wed 1/Sep/10 1:40pm

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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby XCrazy on Wed 1/Sep/10 1:53pm

Ok that confirms it... I'm not getting a 29er :huh:
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Datsane on Wed 1/Sep/10 2:03pm


Test rode. Read the article
And who cares I bet he walks, eats and shits to you going to stop doing all that to :eh:
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Oli on Wed 1/Sep/10 8:43pm

:D
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby XCrazy on Wed 1/Sep/10 8:46pm

touche :D
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby ease2underpants on Wed 1/Sep/10 10:39pm

Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby musket on Wed 1/Sep/10 10:46pm

ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Simpleone on Wed 1/Sep/10 10:53pm

musket wrote:
ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.


Yep and to be fair the wheels are more than 10% bigger, there is more load on the chain though if you have a 36t cog on the back and 22t on the front, but still not enough to be an issue for a chain.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Oli on Wed 1/Sep/10 11:00pm

musket wrote:
ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.
And road bike chains don't break all the time - 29er = 700c.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby musket on Wed 1/Sep/10 11:05pm

Jesus, Porsche used to make cars with chain driven rear wheels.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Cabin on Thu 2/Sep/10 7:47am

I must be missing something here... How is wheel size relevant to the load on the chain? Wheels don't drive the chain.... Your legs drive the chain. i.e. If you push 300 watts, you are putting 300 watts through the chain regardless of it being a 29 inch wheel, or a 12inch...


Simpleone wrote:
musket wrote:
ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.


Yep and to be fair the wheels are more than 10% bigger, there is more load on the chain though if you have a 36t cog on the back and 22t on the front, but still not enough to be an issue for a chain.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby jeyboi on Thu 2/Sep/10 7:53am

Simpleone wrote:
musket wrote:
ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.


Yep and to be fair the wheels are more than 10% bigger, there is more load on the chain though if you have a 36t cog on the back and 22t on the front


How does the gear ratio have any bearing on how much force a rider can apply through the cranks?
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Simpleone on Thu 2/Sep/10 8:17am

jeyboi wrote:
Simpleone wrote:
musket wrote:
ease2underpants wrote:
Datsane wrote: There is no reason a 29er would snap chains more then a 26". It will come down to bike set up or riding style.


Umm. 10% larger diameter wheels, same gearing = 10% more torque.


Unfortunately, most people don't sprout 10% stronger legs, so the gear they ride in is the same.


Yep and to be fair the wheels are more than 10% bigger, there is more load on the chain though if you have a 36t cog on the back and 22t on the front


How does the gear ratio have any bearing on how much force a rider can apply through the cranks?


In the lower gears(22/36), you have more purchase power to the wheel, better leverage. Since you are using a bigger wheel, lever, and generally going up steep hills the load on the chain is increased. But still nowhere near enough to break chain, other factors are causing that.
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby dented on Thu 2/Sep/10 8:39am

Where is Dougal when you need him?
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Re: Calling All 29er Riders - 29er Talk

Postby Cabin on Thu 2/Sep/10 8:47am

In the lower gears(22/36), you have more purchase power to the wheel, better leverage. Since you are using a bigger wheel, lever, and generally going up steep hills the load on the chain is increased. But still nowhere near enough to break chain, other factors are causing that.[/quote]

I'm no physicist, but surely those demands relate purely to the force required to move the bike at a given speed.... which will require a given wattage....?

Therefore what changes between 26 and 29 wheels is the specific gear and/or cadence used to maintain said wattage.

The load on the chain can't change much. Watt's are Watt's
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