Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby charliehopkins on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:05pm

Jim please im not being stupid do me a favour

take the thing you love doing the most. golf or hunting or rugby or even sewing i dont know you

just take that thing you love the most and shit all over it. have a fear tht the bush will be rapped and pillaged so that you cannot show it to your kids and family. to the future. im not saying you are worng im just sayign think about it from my view just for a second. i love the bush to pieces and want to save it for the future. the fear of 1080 destroying that for me is very seriious to me

everyone... take the one thing you love nd imagine it destroyed and smashed just to save money in the DOC bank account. money+corruption at the lives of the innocent... the animals becasue they cant vote you out
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Scotty on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:07pm

charliehopkins wrote:
neels wrote:
charliehopkins wrote:hand over the gold fish in your tank.

I'm pretty sure gold fish don't like eating native bush, so you could probably spare them, and only focus on the more voracious guinea pigs.


"they all go or not. make up your mind". gold fish are not a native. they must go with lucky the dog and sally the cat

You are clearly retarded. Domesticated vs. Wild.

Duh.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby neels on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:09pm

charliehopkins wrote:
neels wrote:
charliehopkins wrote:hand over the gold fish in your tank.

I'm pretty sure gold fish don't like eating native bush, so you could probably spare them, and only focus on the more voracious guinea pigs.


"they all go or not. make up your mind". gold fish are not a native. they must go with lucky the dog and sally the cat
Um, I'm pretty sure that ridding the country of every introduced species is not the purpose of 1080 poisoning, otherwise they'd be dropping it on dairy farms too. Targeting species that are destroying native forests does seem reasonable though
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Wobbler on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:09pm

charliehopkins wrote:Jim please im not being stupid do me a favour

take the thing you love doing the most. golf or hunting or rugby or even sewing i dont know you

just take that thing you love the most and shit all over it. have a fear tht the bush will be rapped and pillaged so that you cannot show it to your kids and family. to the future. im not saying you are worng im just sayign think about it from my view just for a second. i love the bush to pieces and want to save it for the future. the fear of 1080 destroying that for me is very seriious to me

everyone... take the one thing you love nd imagine it destroyed and smashed just to save money in the DOC bank account. money+corruption at the lives of the innocent... the animals becasue they cant vote you out


So its alright when you go and shoot them but when they get poisoned they are all innocent and its stink?
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Scotty on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:10pm

neels wrote:Targeting species that are destroying native forests does seem reasonable though

Our friend charlie doesn't have a problem with that, it's how it's done.

But like all anti-1080's he's yet to come up with an effective alternative.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby onyabike on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:14pm

neels wrote:
charliehopkins wrote:hand over the gold fish in your tank.

I'm pretty sure gold fish don't like eating native bush, so you could probably spare them, and only focus on the more voracious guinea pigs.


some those go-damn golfish need hand'n over - im telln you.
mmf goldfish.jpg
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Jim on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:16pm

MTB, do not get me wrong I do not want to see the native bush destroyed, I would have loved to seen NZ before the euro's got here and raped it to the extreme that they did. Its the argument of 1080 is the devils work and should be banned full stop with out an altenative that can be as effective in the real back country does not hold and form of weight with me. Maybe a combination of less poisoning and more hunting is the way to go.
You sound like you have a far greater knowledge of the back country than I do, but I can not believe that a hunter or pack of hunters can be as effective as 1080 in the more isolated areas of this country, nor do I think that, as I said earlier, there should be more pressure put on the erradication of one introduce speices over saving another solely for human enjoyment.



Ps. I have no pets.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby xcwander on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:17pm

Remember trapping has also been shown to have a portion of wrongful culls, injury rather than death, doesn't scale to huge areas and has a reasonably high accident rate with those setting the traps. Agree can be very useful on areas bounding Famrland etc, but its a highly labour intensive, unskilled low paid job. Exactly what this country DOESN'T need more of. And while 40 yrs ago you might have found a ready pool on NZdr's who would go do this, as a country we've changed far more urbanised. Its hard enough finding teachers, police, Dr to work in rural towns, now you want trappers, probably over a 1000 to cover all of NZ, who will have to sometimes over night in the bush and earn even less.......Its a job and method that is from another era.

Also the moment you give a pest a positive ecnomic value, you change it from a pest to a resource that needs to be sustainably managed. What happens when you cull an area out by 90%. Do you now tell these people of you no longer have a job, go retrain, but what happens in 5 yrs when the number of possums build up again, but all the trappers have found other jobs. You can't build a long term business when the stated aim is the eradication of your primary resource, "Sustainable management" is not an acceptable solution, especially when you're then get lobbying of govt that this is now a commercial resource, employs people, and the cost benefit says that a few trees and birds is ok if it keeps the possum fur business going and trappers employed. Its exactly the reason you will never see trout classed as a pest in NZ even though they are introduced and decimated the native fish species.

Then there's the issue of animal fur and the diminishing world market. A paint bomb throwing anti fur activist isn't going to ask first "oh is that sustainable NZ possum fur there" before throwing a bag of paint at some very expensive NZ Fur coat.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby thelongwalk on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:21pm

Now I have to admit to being a bit biased about this subject.
But I have killed thousands of possums with me hammer and they kept coming back.
So, personally, I would 1080 the whole country. Playgrounds, shopping malls, the lot.
And yes we would have some collateral damage including the odd dog and small child, but the greater good would prevail.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Scotty on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:24pm

I'd vote for you. Run for PM. :)
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby Jim on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:26pm

thelongwalk wrote:Now I have to admit to being a bit biased about this subject.
But I have killed thousands of possums with me hammer and they kept coming back.
So, personally, I would 1080 the whole country. Playgrounds, shopping malls, the lot.
And yes we would have some collateral damage including the odd dog and small child, but the greater good would prevail.



When are you going to be out Nui digging?

I would vote for ya as well.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby charliehopkins on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:27pm

Scotty wrote:
charliehopkins wrote:
neels wrote:
charliehopkins wrote:hand over the gold fish in your tank.

I'm pretty sure gold fish don't like eating native bush, so you could probably spare them, and only focus on the more voracious guinea pigs.


"they all go or not. make up your mind". gold fish are not a native. they must go with lucky the dog and sally the cat

You are clearly retarded. Domesticated vs. Wild.

Duh.


introduced is intorduced
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby neels on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:28pm

thelongwalk wrote:But I have killed thousands of possums with me hammer and they kept coming back.

I beat one to death with a stick once. It was stuck in a trap and very angry about it.
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby E Dogg Capizzle on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:30pm

neels wrote:I beat one to death with a stick once. It was stuck in a trap and very angry about it.


Personal experience tells me that possums do not take kindly to being trapped and beaten to death with a stick. :)
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Re: 1080 Any Good?

Postby charliehopkins on Thu 27/Aug/09 9:33pm

Jim wrote:MTB, do not get me wrong I do not want to see the native bush destroyed, I would have loved to seen NZ before the euro's got here and raped it to the extreme that they did. Its the argument of 1080 is the devils work and should be banned full stop with out an altenative that can be as effective in the real back country does not hold and form of weight with me. Maybe a combination of less poisoning and more hunting is the way to go.
You sound like you have a far greater knowledge of the back country than I do, but I can not believe that a hunter or pack of hunters can be as effective as 1080 in the more isolated areas of this country, nor do I think that, as I said earlier, there should be more pressure put on the erradication of one introduce speices over saving another solely for human enjoyment.



Ps. I have no pets.


dam hahah the pets thing was quite good
well i just dont want it to be destroyed for the future becasue it i so amazing and beautiful. have you heard of the sterile possum virus. that is the way to go and i really want that
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